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Teachers are no longer respected in their decisions by parents. Before, a teacher could take away a phone and the criticism came at the student for not paying a

Teachers are no longer respected in their decisions by parents. Before, a teacher could take away a phone and the criticism came at the student for not paying attention. Now the teacher comes under criticism in protection of the student. The whole culture around teaching needs a hard reset.

defrost 2y ago
A hard reset back to the days when teachers could get away with anything and their word was believed over that of students? eg: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-27/historical-abuse-allegations-at-st-cecilias-in-port-hedland-wa/103845122 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-27/historical-abuse-alle... Perhaps not.
- ThePowerOfFuet 2y ago
  That was a hell of a leap, and we both know that has absolutely nothing to do with what was being suggested by the person to whom you replied.
  - defrost 2y ago
    Hardly. Sufficiently large schools will have at least one staff member doing something inappropriate with at least one student, there are literal Royal Commisions on that kind of thing. Particular specific institutes of the past have gone further with large numbers of the staff abusing large numbers of the students. There's a middle ground between always deferring to teachers as absolute authorities and not.
    - fractallyte 2y ago
      No, the parent poster was right: teachers are absolute authorities in matters of discipline on school grounds. Parents have a duty to support school discipline, and this is completely orthogonal to your point.
- Zenzero 2y ago
  Nobody is advocating abuse. That is a major leap away from my point. Taking a child's phone away is not abuse. It should be expected and desired by parents wanting their child to actually learn in school. Unfortunately we have normalized suspicion towards teachers to such a toxic level that they are now powerless to enforce a learning environment, and it has resulted in a mass exodus of talented people from teaching.

defrost 2y ago

A hard reset back to the days when teachers could get away with anything and their word was believed over that of students? eg: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-27/historical-abuse-allegations-at-st-cecilias-in-port-hedland-wa/103845122 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-27/historical-abuse-alle... Perhaps not.

ThePowerOfFuet 2y ago
That was a hell of a leap, and we both know that has absolutely nothing to do with what was being suggested by the person to whom you replied.
- defrost 2y ago
  Hardly. Sufficiently large schools will have at least one staff member doing something inappropriate with at least one student, there are literal Royal Commisions on that kind of thing. Particular specific institutes of the past have gone further with large numbers of the staff abusing large numbers of the students. There's a middle ground between always deferring to teachers as absolute authorities and not.
  - fractallyte 2y ago
    No, the parent poster was right: teachers are absolute authorities in matters of discipline on school grounds. Parents have a duty to support school discipline, and this is completely orthogonal to your point.
Zenzero 2y ago
Nobody is advocating abuse. That is a major leap away from my point. Taking a child's phone away is not abuse. It should be expected and desired by parents wanting their child to actually learn in school. Unfortunately we have normalized suspicion towards teachers to such a toxic level that they are now powerless to enforce a learning environment, and it has resulted in a mass exodus of talented people from teaching.