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Warning: Limbo for Linux is just the windows game packaged with wine.

by aw3c2 14y ago

ch0wn 14y ago
That's sad. I hope this doesn't become a trend for future Indie Bundles.
- smithzvk 14y ago
  I agree, but so long as they actually tested it to make sure that it works and will support issues with the wine setup, then it is acceptable, IMHO.
  - smithzvk 14y ago
    Update on that. I downloaded it and gave it a try and sure enough, the sound doesn't work. Looks like they didn't perform the due diligence of testing. I'm currently downloading the windows executable to try with my system install of Wine. My rule is, if it is proprietary software, I don't fiddle with it. I dislike Playdead for making me break my rule.
- kenneth_reitz 14y ago
  That's how 90% of the Mac games you buy work.
  - tedunangst 14y ago
    uh, citation needed? You'd at least have to specify whether you mean "offered for sale" or "purchased by users", because I suspect a big chunk of game sales volume comes from AAA games which are probably going to be native ports.
    - pretz 14y ago
      Not a complete list, but this is a tricked out wine used by many many games: http://transgaming.com/cider/games http://transgaming.com/cider/games
    - Arelius 14y ago
      Agreed, working in game development, I've very rarely heard of people using the Codeweaver's approach for commercial Mac ports. I think this is just a case of playing a game of mishearing/misremembering.
      - alastairpat 14y ago
        A lot of EA's stuff is ported to Mac with Cider/TransGaming. From memory The Sims 3 is done that way.
- jiggy2011 14y ago
  afaik quite a lot of the indie bundle games are basically this.
  - ch0wn 14y ago
    The games I tried on Linux so far, have been really high-quality ports. I know icculus did quite a few of them. I haven't played that many, though.
  - jeff18 14y ago
    Negative, this is the first one.
    - jiggy2011 14y ago
      I don't think so. I remember getting a game called "frozen synapse" which was available on the bundle and I couldn't get it to run in Linux without reconfiguring wine.
      - jeff18 14y ago
        Nah, Frozen Synapse was natively ported by Ryan Gordon.
lrem 14y ago
Isn't supplying a library for making cheap ports one of the stated goals of wine?
- quarterto 14y ago
  Yes, but all of the previously-released Linux versions of Humble Bundle games have been high-quality native ports.
  - dualogy 14y ago
    What is it with that idea that somehow "Wine isn't native"? It's not an emulator and it's not a virtual machine. It runs the native executables and provides a couple of Windows-like folders, DLLs, a "registry", environment variables etc. What's not to like? Sure, would be neat if the game devs had a dedicated Linux build target working with /usr/lib/ etc. paths but -- does any gamer care? As long as Wine is as hidden and stable and packaged in the background as Transgaming's Cider (try the three GTA 3 games on Mac from the App Store -- awesome smooth gaming! -- granted they're quite old) I don't see a problem for the gamer. And the devs are free to concentrate on their games and creative instead of headaches with painful "native porting" code issues.
    - DanKegel 14y ago
      If you agree that Wine can be an appropriate tool for helping port games, please sign http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/use-wine-as-needed-in-future-humble-indie-bundles/ http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/use-wine-as-needed-in-fut...
jeff18 14y ago
You are technically correct, but you are belittling the amount of work that Codeweavers put into the LIMBO Linux version.
CJefferson 14y ago
Is this leading you to have some practical issues, or is it just a technical complaint? I have used the Limbo Linux port, and didn't have any problems.

Warning: Limbo for Linux is just the windows game packaged with wine.

by aw3c2 14y ago

Warning: Limbo for Linux is just the windows game packaged with wine.

ch0wn 14y ago

That's sad. I hope this doesn't become a trend for future Indie Bundles.

smithzvk 14y ago
I agree, but so long as they actually tested it to make sure that it works and will support issues with the wine setup, then it is acceptable, IMHO.
- smithzvk 14y ago
  Update on that. I downloaded it and gave it a try and sure enough, the sound doesn't work. Looks like they didn't perform the due diligence of testing. I'm currently downloading the windows executable to try with my system install of Wine. My rule is, if it is proprietary software, I don't fiddle with it. I dislike Playdead for making me break my rule.
kenneth_reitz 14y ago
That's how 90% of the Mac games you buy work.
- tedunangst 14y ago
  uh, citation needed? You'd at least have to specify whether you mean "offered for sale" or "purchased by users", because I suspect a big chunk of game sales volume comes from AAA games which are probably going to be native ports.
  - pretz 14y ago
    Not a complete list, but this is a tricked out wine used by many many games: http://transgaming.com/cider/games http://transgaming.com/cider/games
  - Arelius 14y ago
    Agreed, working in game development, I've very rarely heard of people using the Codeweaver's approach for commercial Mac ports. I think this is just a case of playing a game of mishearing/misremembering.
    - alastairpat 14y ago
      A lot of EA's stuff is ported to Mac with Cider/TransGaming. From memory The Sims 3 is done that way.
jiggy2011 14y ago
afaik quite a lot of the indie bundle games are basically this.
- ch0wn 14y ago
  The games I tried on Linux so far, have been really high-quality ports. I know icculus did quite a few of them. I haven't played that many, though.
- jeff18 14y ago
  Negative, this is the first one.
  - jiggy2011 14y ago
    I don't think so. I remember getting a game called "frozen synapse" which was available on the bundle and I couldn't get it to run in Linux without reconfiguring wine.
    - jeff18 14y ago
      Nah, Frozen Synapse was natively ported by Ryan Gordon.

lrem 14y ago

Isn't supplying a library for making cheap ports one of the stated goals of wine?

quarterto 14y ago
Yes, but all of the previously-released Linux versions of Humble Bundle games have been high-quality native ports.
- dualogy 14y ago
  What is it with that idea that somehow "Wine isn't native"? It's not an emulator and it's not a virtual machine. It runs the native executables and provides a couple of Windows-like folders, DLLs, a "registry", environment variables etc. What's not to like? Sure, would be neat if the game devs had a dedicated Linux build target working with /usr/lib/ etc. paths but -- does any gamer care? As long as Wine is as hidden and stable and packaged in the background as Transgaming's Cider (try the three GTA 3 games on Mac from the App Store -- awesome smooth gaming! -- granted they're quite old) I don't see a problem for the gamer. And the devs are free to concentrate on their games and creative instead of headaches with painful "native porting" code issues.
  - DanKegel 14y ago
    If you agree that Wine can be an appropriate tool for helping port games, please sign http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/use-wine-as-needed-in-future-humble-indie-bundles/ http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/use-wine-as-needed-in-fut...

jeff18 14y ago

You are technically correct, but you are belittling the amount of work that Codeweavers put into the LIMBO Linux version.

CJefferson 14y ago

Is this leading you to have some practical issues, or is it just a technical complaint? I have used the Limbo Linux port, and didn't have any problems.