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Background: I helped my mother die, and in the process decided NOT to be an organ donor anymore. tl;dr: you cannot crank the painkillers up to eleven and still

Background: I helped my mother die, and in the process decided NOT to be an organ donor anymore. tl;dr: you cannot crank the painkillers up to eleven and still donate. What I'm doing instead: donating my body to a medical school, which they can then chop up (either the students, or to sell off pieces "for science"). This allows me to implement a custom and pain-free exit regiment (an organ-destroying cocktail of fentanyl, morphine, and ketamine). -- Sweet dreams, ya'll.

ggoo 2y ago
Ever read about that guy who’s mother got exploded for science?
- ProllyInfamous 2y ago
  I used to work (tangently, as a prosector) at one of the USA's "body farms" — it was really cool, but extremely off-puting/stinky. When I first read about donated bodies being exploded, I thought "wow that's really fucking noble of the deceased," cause I knew how many intelligent researchers (and society!) benefitted from this "abhorrent stuff." I still believe it's beneficial (and not disrespectful), however horrid. My only real gripe is that third-party hackers make all the money off the cadaver parts, and not the begrieved family..." people should also IMHO be paid for their blood donations.
schneems 2y ago
Are you talking of a long exit or a one and done? If it’s the longer variety I’m curious how you arranged that. I know hospice is about easing the pain to a certain degree but my understanding was that they wouldn’t go to the next level (accelerating the process) as that would seem to violate the Hippocratic oath. Likewise I know there are places where assisted suicide is possible but that’s more the one-and-done variety. Also since I’ve used the S word and had a (young and healthy) friend die by suicide, I’ll also say please reach out to a hotline if someone reading this is feeling suicidal.
- ProllyInfamous 2y ago
  >there are places where assisted suicide is possible Thank god we were, and had a plan for her unexpected demise. Talk with your loved ones, nobody ought'a suffer unnecessarily.
XorNot 2y ago
Most organ donation is from traumatic brain injuries resulting brain death. I have no idea how you could be in long-term hospice care and still be an organ donor, because if you're conscious and awake no one is going to do it. No one is denying painkillers in order to produce organ donors, nor is it even practical: you would have to be on intensive life support at the time of brain death in order for it to be even considered. EDIT: Like your statement seems to read as though your mother wanted to donate, but couldn't have voluntary euthanasia if she did (except again, if she was that awake then it wasn't going to happen unless she suffered brain death and was on life support) so your conclusion was...in the event of a sudden, traumatic brain death on your part you instead don't want organ donation to be an option?
- ProllyInfamous 2y ago
  >unless she suffered brain death and was on life support This is exactly what happened.
  - XorNot 2y ago
    Then I'm still confused about what happened here. If you're on life-support, and brain dead, then either you become an organ donor or they turn the machine off and you just die (because otherwise you wouldn't need to be on life support). Of course if you're brain dead, you also don't need painkillers and people who are brain dead or in a coma aren't on them. They don't crank the painkillers up - in fact no doctor will do this because it's legally murder. People in comas aren't on painkillers unless they're medically induced (i.e. burn victims in recovery) because the goal is for the patient to wake up. You can always push morphince once they do.
    - ProllyInfamous 2y ago
      >If you're on life-support, and brain dead Her [sudden, at 60] stroke was massive, but confined to only her left hemisphere. She was intubated (against her DNR). Through prior agreement, this was a "terminate me" condition. She was not in hospice care at the time, and still worked 50+ hours per week. "If you make me retire [because of my health], you might as well kill me," she had recently told me. >if you're brain dead, you don't need painkillers and ... aren't on them False. Prior to my arrival (as pre-arranged death angel), the hospital had induced knockout via massive sedatives. My first action (before viewing the PET scan) was to stop these, which caused her right brain to "wake up" — which is terrifying because she still knew who I was (her son, there to kill her), but could not speak. Upon reviewing her imaging, I decided that "she had met her criteria [to die]." >they turn the machine off and you just die I further helped this by instructing attending physician to turn up the fentanyl ("to eleven"), remove her breathing systems, and then I smothered her with my bare hands. >They don't crank the painkillers up - in fact no doctor will do this because it's legally murder. False. See above. Jurisdiction may very, as will each situation. -- I wish you well in your enjoyment of life; Mom lived well, and you (and I) should try to, too.

ggoo 2y ago

Ever read about that guy who’s mother got exploded for science?

ProllyInfamous 2y ago
I used to work (tangently, as a prosector) at one of the USA's "body farms" — it was really cool, but extremely off-puting/stinky. When I first read about donated bodies being exploded, I thought "wow that's really fucking noble of the deceased," cause I knew how many intelligent researchers (and society!) benefitted from this "abhorrent stuff." I still believe it's beneficial (and not disrespectful), however horrid. My only real gripe is that third-party hackers make all the money off the cadaver parts, and not the begrieved family..." people should also IMHO be paid for their blood donations.

schneems 2y ago

Are you talking of a long exit or a one and done? If it’s the longer variety I’m curious how you arranged that. I know hospice is about easing the pain to a certain degree but my understanding was that they wouldn’t go to the next level (accelerating the process) as that would seem to violate the Hippocratic oath. Likewise I know there are places where assisted suicide is possible but that’s more the one-and-done variety. Also since I’ve used the S word and had a (young and healthy) friend die by suicide, I’ll also say please reach out to a hotline if someone reading this is feeling suicidal.

ProllyInfamous 2y ago
>there are places where assisted suicide is possible Thank god we were, and had a plan for her unexpected demise. Talk with your loved ones, nobody ought'a suffer unnecessarily.

XorNot 2y ago

Most organ donation is from traumatic brain injuries resulting brain death. I have no idea how you could be in long-term hospice care and still be an organ donor, because if you're conscious and awake no one is going to do it. No one is denying painkillers in order to produce organ donors, nor is it even practical: you would have to be on intensive life support at the time of brain death in order for it to be even considered. EDIT: Like your statement seems to read as though your mother wanted to donate, but couldn't have voluntary euthanasia if she did (except again, if she was that awake then it wasn't going to happen unless she suffered brain death and was on life support) so your conclusion was...in the event of a sudden, traumatic brain death on your part you instead don't want organ donation to be an option?

ProllyInfamous 2y ago
>unless she suffered brain death and was on life support This is exactly what happened.
- XorNot 2y ago
  Then I'm still confused about what happened here. If you're on life-support, and brain dead, then either you become an organ donor or they turn the machine off and you just die (because otherwise you wouldn't need to be on life support). Of course if you're brain dead, you also don't need painkillers and people who are brain dead or in a coma aren't on them. They don't crank the painkillers up - in fact no doctor will do this because it's legally murder. People in comas aren't on painkillers unless they're medically induced (i.e. burn victims in recovery) because the goal is for the patient to wake up. You can always push morphince once they do.
  - ProllyInfamous 2y ago
    >If you're on life-support, and brain dead Her [sudden, at 60] stroke was massive, but confined to only her left hemisphere. She was intubated (against her DNR). Through prior agreement, this was a "terminate me" condition. She was not in hospice care at the time, and still worked 50+ hours per week. "If you make me retire [because of my health], you might as well kill me," she had recently told me. >if you're brain dead, you don't need painkillers and ... aren't on them False. Prior to my arrival (as pre-arranged death angel), the hospital had induced knockout via massive sedatives. My first action (before viewing the PET scan) was to stop these, which caused her right brain to "wake up" — which is terrifying because she still knew who I was (her son, there to kill her), but could not speak. Upon reviewing her imaging, I decided that "she had met her criteria [to die]." >they turn the machine off and you just die I further helped this by instructing attending physician to turn up the fentanyl ("to eleven"), remove her breathing systems, and then I smothered her with my bare hands. >They don't crank the painkillers up - in fact no doctor will do this because it's legally murder. False. See above. Jurisdiction may very, as will each situation. -- I wish you well in your enjoyment of life; Mom lived well, and you (and I) should try to, too.