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> Quite frankly unless there is a US intervention in Mexico (never gonna happen as the US would lose) This is such a strange hypothetical. The US is not expans

> Quite frankly unless there is a US intervention in Mexico (never gonna happen as the US would lose) This is such a strange hypothetical. The US is not expansionist, why would it attack Mexico? Helping people with the barrel of a gun was tried in Iraq and Afghanistan, and a very large part of the US population did not like that at all. But you could say that the Iraq and Afghanistan regimes were enemies of the US. Mexico is in no way an enemy, the idea that the US would start a military action against Mexico is baffling. I never heard of anything like that. And if the US starts such an action, but the popular will is against it, it's a certain recipe for disaster. The defeat in Vietnam was not due to the US being beaten on the battlefield, it was due to the domestic anti-war protests.

csense 2y ago
> This is such a strange hypothetical. The US is not expansionist, why would it attack Mexico? Mark Esper says in his memoir that Donald Trump in 2020 asked about the possibility of launching missiles into Mexico to destroy the cartels' drug labs. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/05/us/politics/mark-esper-book-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/05/us/politics/mark-esper-bo...
- credit_guy 2y ago
  So what? He asked, and presumably he got an answer. The answer was most likely that yes, it technically is possible, but it's not a good idea, because there are so and so issues with doing that. Did Trump insist, or he left it at that?
- parineum 2y ago
  Since that administration leaked like Niagra falls, I wouldn't take the information necessarily to mean that the hypothetical question was unique, just that it leaked. Given that he didn't launch any missiles, just like everyone else, I'm not sure there's anything to get worked up about.
overstay8930 2y ago
The recognized united mexican states is not an enemy in this case, the recognized state does not actually control large swaths of its claimed territory or even some of its own armed forces. What happens in mexico at the state and local level is mostly up to the highest bidder, and that’s what the intervention would be about. Even the federal government doesn’t even control part of its own armed forces, they are just paid off and too many people are too well protected. It would be like if California Highway Patrol was in the drug business, and they used their legitimate power to create a system to ensure they could legally do this all in the open because the guy in charge of keeping them in check is getting a cut of whatever they sell, all while sabotaging efforts to do anything about what’s going on. Even if someone did finally get enough evidence, there’s enough paid off government employees that it will just get lost. If all else fails and government officials start acting to remove you, well, there’s a reason being a mexican politician is so deadly… It would not be USA vs Mexico, it would be USA and part of the mexican military under Mexican control vs Fuerza Tamaulipas mixed in with cartel foot soldiers and “”””civilians””””. The cartels would make sure to frame it as Mexico vs USA (calling the mexican government collaborators in the pocket of big bad usa of course), so they could replenish their foot soldiers fighting the “anti imperialist revolution” (straight from the terrorist playbook, because they are terrorists holding the entire population as blackmail).

csense 2y ago

> This is such a strange hypothetical. The US is not expansionist, why would it attack Mexico? Mark Esper says in his memoir that Donald Trump in 2020 asked about the possibility of launching missiles into Mexico to destroy the cartels' drug labs. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/05/us/politics/mark-esper-book-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/05/us/politics/mark-esper-bo...

credit_guy 2y ago
So what? He asked, and presumably he got an answer. The answer was most likely that yes, it technically is possible, but it's not a good idea, because there are so and so issues with doing that. Did Trump insist, or he left it at that?
parineum 2y ago
Since that administration leaked like Niagra falls, I wouldn't take the information necessarily to mean that the hypothetical question was unique, just that it leaked. Given that he didn't launch any missiles, just like everyone else, I'm not sure there's anything to get worked up about.

overstay8930 2y ago

The recognized united mexican states is not an enemy in this case, the recognized state does not actually control large swaths of its claimed territory or even some of its own armed forces. What happens in mexico at the state and local level is mostly up to the highest bidder, and that’s what the intervention would be about. Even the federal government doesn’t even control part of its own armed forces, they are just paid off and too many people are too well protected. It would be like if California Highway Patrol was in the drug business, and they used their legitimate power to create a system to ensure they could legally do this all in the open because the guy in charge of keeping them in check is getting a cut of whatever they sell, all while sabotaging efforts to do anything about what’s going on. Even if someone did finally get enough evidence, there’s enough paid off government employees that it will just get lost. If all else fails and government officials start acting to remove you, well, there’s a reason being a mexican politician is so deadly… It would not be USA vs Mexico, it would be USA and part of the mexican military under Mexican control vs Fuerza Tamaulipas mixed in with cartel foot soldiers and “”””civilians””””. The cartels would make sure to frame it as Mexico vs USA (calling the mexican government collaborators in the pocket of big bad usa of course), so they could replenish their foot soldiers fighting the “anti imperialist revolution” (straight from the terrorist playbook, because they are terrorists holding the entire population as blackmail).