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We just launched Beluga, a free analytics tool for musicians

44 points by grooveshark_hn 14y ago

grooveshark_hn 14y ago
We'd love to hear what you guys think. Everyone at the office spends all day on hacker news :)
jonathanjaeger 14y ago
From underground metal bands to mainstream pop, it seems pretty accurate from the demographics and highlights sections. Some other interesting tidbits in there about device usage.
- grooveshark_hn 14y ago
  Thank you! We hope that this data can help independent musicians connect with their fans more confidently.
  - caryme 14y ago
    It would be really cool if you had demographic information on sexual orientation as well.
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gmig 14y ago
I was having trouble using this on Firefox 13 (beta). I keep getting "Invalid referer." dialog boxes when entering the artist in and three "Invalid referer." dialog boxes when going to a Artist Report. The only information loaded on the Artist Report is the Biography. Just loaded the site in Chrome and works great.
- grooveshark_hn 14y ago
  Hey gmig, thanks for checking out Beluga. I just tried in Firefox 13, and I couldn't reproduce the issue. Do you have anything that could be messing with your referrer, like addons? On api calls, as a safety precaution, we check to make sure the browser referrer is correct.
  - gmig 14y ago
    I don't have any add-ons/plugins that change or block the referrer. I disabled the add-ons/plugins I did have and still got the error. Though I created a new profile under Firefox 13 and the site worked fine on the new profile. Must be something wrong with my regular profile then.
    - grooveshark_hn 14y ago
      Glad to hear it's working for you. Thanks again for your feedback :)
kyt 14y ago
First search was "Foster the People." Looks empty.
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fleeno 14y ago
Not that it matters too much, but why did you call it Beluga? Beluga is a pretty famous Facebook acquisition, and is the first thing I think of when I see Beluga, besides the whale!
- eberfreitas 14y ago
  I didn't know the Facebook acquired company. It made total sense for me as the original service is called GrooveShark...
- grooveshark_hn 14y ago
  We really like using aquatic references at Grooveshark, and since the beginning this project's code name was Beluga. We really liked the name, and, since Facebook absorbed the Beluga you're referring to for their talented employees, we decided to keep the name.
cozykozy 14y ago
I find it mindly amusing that there is super-high confidence that fans of Cat Power will own a cat. Owning a horse comes in at a distant second.
burrokeet 14y ago
Instead of Beluga, how about launching a nice tool that with one click lets content owners remove all of their unlicensed content from Grooveshark, block all of it from being re-uploaded ever again, and send us a cheque for any revenues earned when it was there.
- grooveshark_hn 14y ago
  Hey burrokeet, aspects of the content management functionality you mentioned will be part of the new artist platform. You can request early beta access here: http://greenroom.grooveshark.com/?beluga http://greenroom.grooveshark.com/?beluga We do pay royalties to licensed content holders - please email licensing[at]grooveshark[dot]com for more details
ScottWhigham 14y ago
Loving it - fun stuff. Don't quite know what I, the musician, would do with it but it's pretty cool.
- grooveshark_hn 14y ago
  Hey ScottWhigham, thanks for the kind words. We've made a couple suggestions on how to use the data in our faq at http://beluga.grooveshark.com/faq.html http://beluga.grooveshark.com/faq.html. We want to offer musicians like you tools such as Beluga to help you connect with your strongest would-be fans. In fact, Beluga is just the beginning. We're building an awesome new platform for artists like you to manage content, connect with fans, and get more out of Beluga all within the main site (grooveshark.com). You can sign up for an early invite at http://greenroom.grooveshark.com/?beluga http://greenroom.grooveshark.com/?beluga
physcab 14y ago
Congrats on the launch! I remember when we (I was a former groovesharker) started working on it back in November of 2010! Great to see that you stuck with the project through what I'm sure were many ups and downs :) I'm curious to know how you see the product benefiting people. What do you see people actually using it for? Right now it seems like a cute demonstration of a data mashup though not entirely factually correct. For example, if I search for "Coldplay" it says 85% affinity for Asian Indian and 82% Plastic Surgery and high Z-score for Hindi? How do you ensure the accuracy of this data? I think you need to display the results of this data differently to users. If its correct, people without statistics backgrounds will get confused because not everyone can interpret what a z-score means, nor will they understand how it is useful to them.
- grooveshark_hn 14y ago
  Hey physcab, good to hear from you! We miss you, and we hope everything's going well. We addressed some of your questions in the faq, especially different ways that artists can use Beluga: http://beluga.grooveshark.com/faq.html http://beluga.grooveshark.com/faq.html. Essentially we wanted to give artists a powerful - yet free - tool to let them understand their fan base. As for data accuracy; although Beluga constantly surprises us with its insights, further investigation has always confirms those insights, at least as far as being solid statistics. We toyed around with a lot of ways of displaying the data before coming to the final design. Oviously not everybody's going to know what a z-score is, but hopefully the interface is useful for those who don't and even more useful for those who do. We sprinkled helpful tooltips throughout the app to give some context to what's being displayed. Thank you for your thoughtful feedback!
niels 14y ago
Grooveshark is blocked (at the DNS level) in my country (Denmark). Annoying.
- ConstantineXVI 14y ago
  I understand it's also blocked in the offices of at least one major label. Not surprising given certain legal action, but must be annoying for Grooveshark that their potential big customers are actively blocking them.
- TheSmoke 14y ago
  it's blocked in Turkey as well but everyday i'm shufflin'. :)
qeorge 14y ago
Really cool, but I'm worried about your sample size. http://beluga.grooveshark.com/artist_report.php?artist_name=pill http://beluga.grooveshark.com/artist_report.php?artist_name=... 100% male?
treetrouble 14y ago
This isn't music analysis, it's musicological analysis
youngdev 14y ago
Nice UI.. Are you guys using bootstrap by any chance?
splatzone 14y ago
I find it interesting how the title of this post is tailored to the technical HN audience where as the Reddit post made reference to them getting sued: http://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/ucumx/hey_reddit_were_grooveshark_music_streaming_site/ http://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/ucumx/hey_reddit_were...
sbmassey 14y ago
It doesn't seem to have any data for "The Beatles", oddly enough.

We'd love to hear what you guys think. Everyone at the office spends all day on hacker news :)

From underground metal bands to mainstream pop, it seems pretty accurate from the demographics and highlights sections. Some other interesting tidbits in there about device usage.

grooveshark_hn 14y ago
Thank you! We hope that this data can help independent musicians connect with their fans more confidently.
- caryme 14y ago
  It would be really cool if you had demographic information on sexual orientation as well.

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gmig 14y ago

I was having trouble using this on Firefox 13 (beta). I keep getting "Invalid referer." dialog boxes when entering the artist in and three "Invalid referer." dialog boxes when going to a Artist Report. The only information loaded on the Artist Report is the Biography. Just loaded the site in Chrome and works great.

grooveshark_hn 14y ago
Hey gmig, thanks for checking out Beluga. I just tried in Firefox 13, and I couldn't reproduce the issue. Do you have anything that could be messing with your referrer, like addons? On api calls, as a safety precaution, we check to make sure the browser referrer is correct.
- gmig 14y ago
  I don't have any add-ons/plugins that change or block the referrer. I disabled the add-ons/plugins I did have and still got the error. Though I created a new profile under Firefox 13 and the site worked fine on the new profile. Must be something wrong with my regular profile then.
  - grooveshark_hn 14y ago
    Glad to hear it's working for you. Thanks again for your feedback :)

kyt 14y ago

First search was "Foster the People." Looks empty.

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fleeno 14y ago

Not that it matters too much, but why did you call it Beluga? Beluga is a pretty famous Facebook acquisition, and is the first thing I think of when I see Beluga, besides the whale!

eberfreitas 14y ago
I didn't know the Facebook acquired company. It made total sense for me as the original service is called GrooveShark...
grooveshark_hn 14y ago
We really like using aquatic references at Grooveshark, and since the beginning this project's code name was Beluga. We really liked the name, and, since Facebook absorbed the Beluga you're referring to for their talented employees, we decided to keep the name.

cozykozy 14y ago

I find it mindly amusing that there is super-high confidence that fans of Cat Power will own a cat. Owning a horse comes in at a distant second.

burrokeet 14y ago

Instead of Beluga, how about launching a nice tool that with one click lets content owners remove all of their unlicensed content from Grooveshark, block all of it from being re-uploaded ever again, and send us a cheque for any revenues earned when it was there.

grooveshark_hn 14y ago
Hey burrokeet, aspects of the content management functionality you mentioned will be part of the new artist platform. You can request early beta access here: http://greenroom.grooveshark.com/?beluga http://greenroom.grooveshark.com/?beluga We do pay royalties to licensed content holders - please email licensing[at]grooveshark[dot]com for more details

ScottWhigham 14y ago

Loving it - fun stuff. Don't quite know what I, the musician, would do with it but it's pretty cool.

grooveshark_hn 14y ago
Hey ScottWhigham, thanks for the kind words. We've made a couple suggestions on how to use the data in our faq at http://beluga.grooveshark.com/faq.html http://beluga.grooveshark.com/faq.html. We want to offer musicians like you tools such as Beluga to help you connect with your strongest would-be fans. In fact, Beluga is just the beginning. We're building an awesome new platform for artists like you to manage content, connect with fans, and get more out of Beluga all within the main site (grooveshark.com). You can sign up for an early invite at http://greenroom.grooveshark.com/?beluga http://greenroom.grooveshark.com/?beluga

physcab 14y ago

Congrats on the launch! I remember when we (I was a former groovesharker) started working on it back in November of 2010! Great to see that you stuck with the project through what I'm sure were many ups and downs :) I'm curious to know how you see the product benefiting people. What do you see people actually using it for? Right now it seems like a cute demonstration of a data mashup though not entirely factually correct. For example, if I search for "Coldplay" it says 85% affinity for Asian Indian and 82% Plastic Surgery and high Z-score for Hindi? How do you ensure the accuracy of this data? I think you need to display the results of this data differently to users. If its correct, people without statistics backgrounds will get confused because not everyone can interpret what a z-score means, nor will they understand how it is useful to them.

grooveshark_hn 14y ago
Hey physcab, good to hear from you! We miss you, and we hope everything's going well. We addressed some of your questions in the faq, especially different ways that artists can use Beluga: http://beluga.grooveshark.com/faq.html http://beluga.grooveshark.com/faq.html. Essentially we wanted to give artists a powerful - yet free - tool to let them understand their fan base. As for data accuracy; although Beluga constantly surprises us with its insights, further investigation has always confirms those insights, at least as far as being solid statistics. We toyed around with a lot of ways of displaying the data before coming to the final design. Oviously not everybody's going to know what a z-score is, but hopefully the interface is useful for those who don't and even more useful for those who do. We sprinkled helpful tooltips throughout the app to give some context to what's being displayed. Thank you for your thoughtful feedback!

niels 14y ago

Grooveshark is blocked (at the DNS level) in my country (Denmark). Annoying.

ConstantineXVI 14y ago
I understand it's also blocked in the offices of at least one major label. Not surprising given certain legal action, but must be annoying for Grooveshark that their potential big customers are actively blocking them.
TheSmoke 14y ago
it's blocked in Turkey as well but everyday i'm shufflin'. :)

qeorge 14y ago

Really cool, but I'm worried about your sample size. http://beluga.grooveshark.com/artist_report.php?artist_name=pill http://beluga.grooveshark.com/artist_report.php?artist_name=... 100% male?

treetrouble 14y ago

This isn't music analysis, it's musicological analysis

youngdev 14y ago

Nice UI.. Are you guys using bootstrap by any chance?

splatzone 14y ago

I find it interesting how the title of this post is tailored to the technical HN audience where as the Reddit post made reference to them getting sued: http://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/ucumx/hey_reddit_were_grooveshark_music_streaming_site/ http://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/ucumx/hey_reddit_were...

sbmassey 14y ago

It doesn't seem to have any data for "The Beatles", oddly enough.