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IMHO this is a romantic effort, no one can plant a tree species at such a scale.
by rulalala 2y ago
IMHO this is a romantic effort, no one can plant a tree species at such a scale.
- buescher 2y agoA country of two million people managed to plant six million trees in one day in 2008 https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE4AI49U/ https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE4AI49U/
- kwhitefoot 2y agoHow many of them survived more than a year?
- woleium 2y agoi imagine most of them, Macedonia is not such a dangerous place to live. /s
- bagels 2y agoMany of them. Do you have information about it that the rest of us don't? "Fifty million trees planted- the government said in 2014- with a success rate of 61% compared to the average European planting success rate of 35%."
- kwhitefoot 2y ago> Do you have information about it that the rest of us don't? No, that's why I asked. I was aware of the less than perfect record elsewhere wondered if they had done better.
- hoseja 2y agoPlanting trees results in inferior forests. A healthy forest comes from natural forestation that goes through pioneer species stages.
- david38 2y agoInferior forests are better than no forests. You don’t have to take an empty field and plant 100k trees. You can go to where chestnuts used to grow, have some volunteers plant some over time, say 100 every month in an area. Over the course of 10 years, we’ll get some data. Don’t let great be the enemy of good.
- HelloNurse 2y agoA healthy forest comes from strict conservation laws, confiscation, expropriation, etc. When land is secured, what to plant is a technical detail. Achieving a good approximation of pristine natural forests might have a lower priority than the variable needs to increase rare plants, provide an habitat for rare animals, make the forest robust against climate and geological hazards, dealing with people with friendly (e.g. edible fruit) or hostile (e.g. thick vegetation to discourage secret hemp cultivation) features, etc.
- CapitalistCartr 2y agoWe routinely plant over a billion trees each year in the USA. Tree planting is a huge industry. We have tractor attachments that can mass plant some species.
- AlexandrB 2y agoI had a friend who planted trees for a summer job. He said it was good money for a summer job and they got paid something like $0.20/tree.
- yeetusus 2y agoI saw that on tiktok myself. But apparently only the experts at tree planting make good money and it takes a few seasons to get good.
- whartung 2y agoSometimes, I just have some view of a city, or whatever, look out, quietly scan the horizon and just muse "every tree I see was planted by someone". Someone said "here, there will be a tree" and it was so. Small ones, big ones. They're just everywhere. "See that park over there? Someone put every one of those trees in the ground." Then, as a corollary, one day, a parking lot has several dozen trees. Next day, they're all gone. Week later, a bunch of new ones are back. Guess the old ones were just getting too big. Friend recently had to take down a 100 year old tree. Was just getting potentially unsafe. No doubt they'll stick another one in there, and leave it. It'll be there when they pass.
- Merrill 2y agoGiven adequate rainfall and the right range of soil acidity trees will seed and grow themselves. This town was farm fields in the 1930s. Some trees were planted when the streets were laid out and houses built. Others, particularly ornamentals, continue to be planted. But there are a great number of trees that are volunteers that have been allowed to mature over the last century. Norway maples, sweet gum, tulip poplar, and red oak are particularly good at volunteering.
- AlexandrB 2y agoWe have mullberry, maple, boxelder, and sometimes oak trees that spring up everywhere and basically need to be weeded before they get too big. Mullberry is particularly "weedy", a common sight at the edge of fences or in hedges.
- mikewarot 2y agoI've had health issues for about 5 years, my back yard is a dense forest because I'm not outside editing it back to my preferences. Trees definitely do not need us.
- francisofascii 2y agoIn a dense cities, the trees you see now that were allowed to grow to maturity were mostly likely planted by a human, with some exceptions of course. Any trees that began to grow organically were probably cut or eliminated.
- pfdietz 2y agoSo, how many do you imagine need to be planted for the species to be self-sustaining?
- rulalala 2y agoI mean surely populations would exist, bit the spatial and cultural significance of the species is gone. And, for how long do we want to believe that environmental change (including fungus) can be frozen in a specific time moment that should be preserved?
- waldothedog 2y agoIsn’t all the writing about the American chestnut indicative of some on-going cultural significance? Wasn’t the blight and panic that wiped them out largely a result of human activity? I think this is one environmental change that happened VERY fast, in which we see our own hand, and that we believe we might still be able to turn back. But I sense that you see some down side which I don’t see?
- rulalala 2y agoI sympathise with the struggle of losing a major specie, and of course the cultural significance is great and will never fully vanish. One thing is to protect nature, another to reject somehow inevitable change happening all the time. A legitimate concern could emerge on discussing whether there is no better plan, because IMHO this plan offered false hopes, and perhaps many such restoration plans provide more hopes than quantitative performance indicators.
- Georgelemental 2y ago> the spatial and cultural significance of the species is gone. If it's ecologically competitive, it will spread again in the fullness of time, no?
- rulalala 2y agoYain, meaning yes and no, because of shifting baselines and other co-occurring dynamics, perhaps there are other natural and man-made uses already taking place?