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After what happened to Nix, I've only gained more respect and preference for projects that have BDFL.

by anonfordays 2y ago

adhamsalama 2y ago
Only if the BDFL isn't okay with his software being used to kill innocent civilians.
- samatman 2y ago
  What is it that you think open source means? Vibes?
- anonfordays 2y ago
  Glad that's not what happened with Nix.
  - adhamsalama 2y ago
    It is.
    - anonfordays 2y ago
      It isn't.
meowface 2y ago
What happened to Nix?
- peter_l_downs 2y ago
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- neonsunset 2y ago
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- recursivecaveat 2y ago
  Nixcon NA 2023 accepted, then later rescinded, sponsorship from Anduril, which is a defense company. There was a lot of community pushback on that, and it seems like the organizers messed up and the venue wouldn't allow it anyway. Either way they were a sponsor for 2024. Ever since there has been a lot of infighting in the community. Here's a recent LWN article and HN discussion about it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40199153 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40199153
  - neonsunset 2y ago
    Also relevant reading: https://srid.ca/nixos-mod https://srid.ca/nixos-mod How certain, ideologically and politically driven parts of community conduct themselves against anyone they suspect of wrongthink: https://discourse.nixos.org/t/delroths-muting-in-the-moderation-matrix-room/44090/14 https://discourse.nixos.org/t/delroths-muting-in-the-moderat...
    - gradientsrneat 2y ago
      The first website, I skimmed the rabbit hole of links a bit, and it reads like far left/far right infighting. Personally, I don't feel sad with someone getting banned who thinks LGBT people don't have a right to exist. But hyperpartisan groups are more likely to scour people's social media/blogs/etc to find any reason imaginable to ban them.
      - anonfordays 2y ago
        > it reads like far left/far right infighting It's far-left versus anyone right of Mao. There are no far-right people of note here. >Personally, I don't feel sad with someone getting banned who thinks LGBT people don't have a right to exist. So you're OK with banning Muslims? Personally, I don't feel sad with someone getting banned who thinks Israeli people don't have a right to exist. See what I did there? This is fallacious thinking. >But hyperpartisan groups are more likely to scour people's social media/blogs/etc to find any reason imaginable to ban them. Indeed. This is inexcusable behavior. It's seeking out things to feign "outrage" over in order to make political moves such as ousting any members that are not ideologically aligned.
- rgoulter 2y ago
  Just over a month ago there was a flashpoint in community tensions, as some expressed their concerns over the project's governance. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40107370 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40107370 As a quick summary, they were concerned about sponsorship from military tech, about community moderation not doing enough to keep trolls out, and annoyed by Eelco Dolstra. In response to this, some discussions about project governance were had. It seems like it was quite a disorganised mess. https://chrismcdonough.substack.com/p/report-on-nixos-governance-discussions https://chrismcdonough.substack.com/p/report-on-nixos-govern...

After what happened to Nix, I've only gained more respect and preference for projects that have BDFL.

adhamsalama 2y ago

Only if the BDFL isn't okay with his software being used to kill innocent civilians.

samatman 2y ago
What is it that you think open source means? Vibes?
anonfordays 2y ago
Glad that's not what happened with Nix.
- adhamsalama 2y ago
  It is.
  - anonfordays 2y ago
    It isn't.

meowface 2y ago

What happened to Nix?

peter_l_downs 2y ago
[flagged]
neonsunset 2y ago
[flagged]
recursivecaveat 2y ago
Nixcon NA 2023 accepted, then later rescinded, sponsorship from Anduril, which is a defense company. There was a lot of community pushback on that, and it seems like the organizers messed up and the venue wouldn't allow it anyway. Either way they were a sponsor for 2024. Ever since there has been a lot of infighting in the community. Here's a recent LWN article and HN discussion about it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40199153 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40199153
- neonsunset 2y ago
  Also relevant reading: https://srid.ca/nixos-mod https://srid.ca/nixos-mod How certain, ideologically and politically driven parts of community conduct themselves against anyone they suspect of wrongthink: https://discourse.nixos.org/t/delroths-muting-in-the-moderation-matrix-room/44090/14 https://discourse.nixos.org/t/delroths-muting-in-the-moderat...
  - gradientsrneat 2y ago
    The first website, I skimmed the rabbit hole of links a bit, and it reads like far left/far right infighting. Personally, I don't feel sad with someone getting banned who thinks LGBT people don't have a right to exist. But hyperpartisan groups are more likely to scour people's social media/blogs/etc to find any reason imaginable to ban them.
    - anonfordays 2y ago
      > it reads like far left/far right infighting It's far-left versus anyone right of Mao. There are no far-right people of note here. >Personally, I don't feel sad with someone getting banned who thinks LGBT people don't have a right to exist. So you're OK with banning Muslims? Personally, I don't feel sad with someone getting banned who thinks Israeli people don't have a right to exist. See what I did there? This is fallacious thinking. >But hyperpartisan groups are more likely to scour people's social media/blogs/etc to find any reason imaginable to ban them. Indeed. This is inexcusable behavior. It's seeking out things to feign "outrage" over in order to make political moves such as ousting any members that are not ideologically aligned.
rgoulter 2y ago
Just over a month ago there was a flashpoint in community tensions, as some expressed their concerns over the project's governance. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40107370 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40107370 As a quick summary, they were concerned about sponsorship from military tech, about community moderation not doing enough to keep trolls out, and annoyed by Eelco Dolstra. In response to this, some discussions about project governance were had. It seems like it was quite a disorganised mess. https://chrismcdonough.substack.com/p/report-on-nixos-governance-discussions https://chrismcdonough.substack.com/p/report-on-nixos-govern...