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They have this sustainability part on their website: https://pixmob.com/sustainability https://pixmob.com/sustainability It does look like they have boxes for

They have this sustainability part on their website: https://pixmob.com/sustainability https://pixmob.com/sustainability It does look like they have boxes for you to return it at the end of the show. It doesn't seem too bad when I take it at face value. I'm sure the reality of how sustainable it is is a bit more complex.

Maxion 2y ago
It's obviously not sustainable on any level, it's a device produced for effects. Concerts in general aren't sustainable. Most of the things we do aren't sustainable. It's nice that they collect them after shows, but still shouldn't call this product sustainable.
- samatman 2y ago
  I disagree. I expect industrial civilization will continue indefinitely, meaning, we will continue manufacturing cute special-effect gizmos, and having fancy concerts with millions of dollars in special-purpose manufactured goods, and people will continue to have fun. That's what sustainable means.
  - Carrok 2y ago
    > That's what sustainable means. No. No it is not.
  - palata 2y ago
    > That's what sustainable means. That's not how words work. You can't just make up their meaning like this.
    - avarun 2y ago
      > sustainable > adjective > 1. able to be maintained at a certain rate or level. It is quite literally what sustainable means. Maybe don’t go around correcting people on the meaning of words if you haven’t bothered checking a dictionary?
      - palata 2y ago
        Not sure if you are in bad faith or genuinely don't know how words work. Here is some help: 1. Go back to the parent, and understand the context in which "sustainable" is used here. 2. Convince yourself that the discussion is about "sustainable development": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_development https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_development Edit: I am concerned that you may not find the origin of the thread, so let me copy it here for you: > Those wristbands are a great example of manufacturing non recyclable garbage.
        nemomarx 2y ago
        They're non recyclable, but they seem very repairable and reusable? As long as people return them after the show the actual waste and churn is lower than something like plastic packaging, and might beat similar concert light sticks that don't have a removable battery. At minimum can't the batteries from these be taken out for recycling?
        palata 2y ago
        I was answering to the comment that said: > I disagree. I expect industrial civilization will continue indefinitely, meaning, we will continue manufacturing cute special-effect gizmos, and having fancy concerts with millions of dollars in special-purpose manufactured goods, and people will continue to have fun. > > That's what sustainable means. But yes, I agree that it's better if they are actually repaired and reused. But being repairable and reusable is not enough: recycling, in general, doesn't really do what people expect (which is something like "it does no harm because it was recycled"). It's actually surprisingly hard to meaningfully recycle anything at all. In this case, if it's more profitable to get new ones every time, that's probably the only incentive they need to not repair and reuse any of those.
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lol768 2y ago
> It does look like they have boxes for you to return it at the end of the show. It doesn't seem too bad when I take it at face value. I'm sure the reality of how sustainable it is is a bit more complex. They do - and at the Coldplay concert I went to, they tried to gamify it a bit by ranking cities by their return rates. Cardiff was unfortunately not at the top, though I did return mine!

Maxion 2y ago

It's obviously not sustainable on any level, it's a device produced for effects. Concerts in general aren't sustainable. Most of the things we do aren't sustainable. It's nice that they collect them after shows, but still shouldn't call this product sustainable.

samatman 2y ago
I disagree. I expect industrial civilization will continue indefinitely, meaning, we will continue manufacturing cute special-effect gizmos, and having fancy concerts with millions of dollars in special-purpose manufactured goods, and people will continue to have fun. That's what sustainable means.
- Carrok 2y ago
  > That's what sustainable means. No. No it is not.
- palata 2y ago
  > That's what sustainable means. That's not how words work. You can't just make up their meaning like this.
  - avarun 2y ago
    > sustainable > adjective > 1. able to be maintained at a certain rate or level. It is quite literally what sustainable means. Maybe don’t go around correcting people on the meaning of words if you haven’t bothered checking a dictionary?
    - palata 2y ago
      Not sure if you are in bad faith or genuinely don't know how words work. Here is some help: 1. Go back to the parent, and understand the context in which "sustainable" is used here. 2. Convince yourself that the discussion is about "sustainable development": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_development https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_development Edit: I am concerned that you may not find the origin of the thread, so let me copy it here for you: > Those wristbands are a great example of manufacturing non recyclable garbage.
      - nemomarx 2y ago
        They're non recyclable, but they seem very repairable and reusable? As long as people return them after the show the actual waste and churn is lower than something like plastic packaging, and might beat similar concert light sticks that don't have a removable battery. At minimum can't the batteries from these be taken out for recycling?
        palata 2y ago
        I was answering to the comment that said: > I disagree. I expect industrial civilization will continue indefinitely, meaning, we will continue manufacturing cute special-effect gizmos, and having fancy concerts with millions of dollars in special-purpose manufactured goods, and people will continue to have fun. > > That's what sustainable means. But yes, I agree that it's better if they are actually repaired and reused. But being repairable and reusable is not enough: recycling, in general, doesn't really do what people expect (which is something like "it does no harm because it was recycled"). It's actually surprisingly hard to meaningfully recycle anything at all. In this case, if it's more profitable to get new ones every time, that's probably the only incentive they need to not repair and reuse any of those.
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lol768 2y ago

> It does look like they have boxes for you to return it at the end of the show. It doesn't seem too bad when I take it at face value. I'm sure the reality of how sustainable it is is a bit more complex. They do - and at the Coldplay concert I went to, they tried to gamify it a bit by ranking cities by their return rates. Cardiff was unfortunately not at the top, though I did return mine!