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The industry is switching to IPv6, just slowly. Google's report of the fraction of users accessing its services on IPv6 steadily rises by a few percent a year.

The industry is switching to IPv6, just slowly. Google's report of the fraction of users accessing its services on IPv6 steadily rises by a few percent a year. Right now it's at about 45%, so it'll be the majority in about two years.

john01dav 2y ago
Such a mandate would still be useful. Even of 80% of users can view things on ipv6, very few people will sacrafice the 20%. I'd like to see rules that force ipv6 support, and then to prevent idiot network admins from disabling ipv6 locally because they're too lazy to learn how it works, make some websites v6 only. Start with essential government websites and move on to laws forcing more and more private websites to be v6 only to force people to maintain its functionality in their networks. See: https://konecipv4.cz/en/ https://konecipv4.cz/en/ The market has been given its chance to move for DECADES and we're not NEARLY at the approximately 100% deployment that we need. It's time that we fix this mess.
jcranmer 2y ago
Here's Google's graph: https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html Adoption rate is currently increasing roughly linearly at a rate of about 5 percentage points every 12-18 months. Also note that there is a clear weekday/weekend pattern, with weekdays about 3-4 percentage points lower than weekends.
- rnhmjoj 2y ago
  I wonder what happened in March.
  - School-Cotton 2y ago
    Probably their data collection was just broken for whatever reason.
- rvnx 2y ago
  It means 100% adoption will be in 2040 using linear regression model.
- mike_d 2y ago
  IPv6 "adoption" is happening at roughly the same rate as the move to handheld devices becoming the primary browsing platform. The weekday split you see is people being on their work computers during the day and personal tablets/phones on weekends. Very little progress has actually been made to move the bulk of stuff using v4 addresses over to v6. AWS v6 only instances have only been around for 20 months or so?
  - School-Cotton 2y ago
    FWIW the weekday numbers are increasing too, they just lag the weekend ones a bit. I don't know how to quantify "very little progress", but my home ISP (Verizon FiOS in NYC) got IPv6 relatively recently (maybe a year or two ago). Anyway, don't most people connect to WiFi while using their handheld devices at home anyway?
  - simoncion 2y ago
    > AWS v6 only instances have only been around for 20 months or so? a) According to [0], AWS has provided IPv6 addressing to EC2 instances since 2016. > IPv6 support for Amazon Elastic Compute Cloud (Amazon EC2) has been available along with IPv6 support for several other services since 2016. Refer to the 2016 blog post at [1], which says (among other things) > By default, every IPv6 address is public and internet-routable. For customers requiring a private subnet on their IPv6-enabled VPCs, we are introducing a new resource within the VPC called the Egress-only Internet Gateway, which can be setup to allow one-way access to Internet resources. b) I don't get the "This migration only counts if we can support only IPv6 and shut off IPv4" obsession. I see no reason to shut off IPv4 within our lifetimes. I expect the distant future will be providing end-users with a globally-routable IPv6 prefix and a CGNATted-to-hell-and-back IPv4 address for reaching out to those sites that may still be using v4 only. [0] <https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/publicsector/aws-enables-us-federal-governments-move-ipv6/ https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/publicsector/aws-enables-us-fed...> [1] <https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2016/12/announcing-internet-protocol-version-6-support-for-ec2-instances-in-amazon-virtual-private-cloud/ https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2016/12/announcin...>
    - mike_d 2y ago
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- sczcas 2y ago
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ehPReth 2y ago
my ISP has no plans for it.. and even escalating it to the highest levels the best answer was something like they're focused on upgrading physical infrastructure and aren't bothering with IPv6 at this time (despite me casually asking for 10+ years)
- photonbeam 2y ago
  We need the FCC to say its a requirement for 2028 or some such year
  - tsimionescu 2y ago
    You do realize that the FCC doesn't have jurisdiction over pretty big parts of the Internet?
    - mikl 2y ago
      Sure, but what happens in the U.S. part of the Internet tends to set the tone for the rest. A U.S. mandate would do a lot to swing things in the right direction, and many other countries would likely follow along and pass similar mandates.
    - photonbeam 2y ago
      Even if its just “all US residential services have ipv6 by 2028” fixes a lot of the chicken and egg
mikl 2y ago
Yeah, problem is that we’re competing with ~99.99% for IPv4. So until IPv6 gets in that ballpark, most Internet servers (HTTP and friends) will still need to IPv4 addresses. And as long as that is true, many companies won’t bother and their service will be IPv4 only. Meaning ISPs must continue to offer IPv4 connectivity to their customers. A true chicken and egg problem. At this rate, we’ll be struggling with IP-shortages, CGNAT and other fun things for decades to come. And it’s all so unnecessary.

john01dav 2y ago

Such a mandate would still be useful. Even of 80% of users can view things on ipv6, very few people will sacrafice the 20%. I'd like to see rules that force ipv6 support, and then to prevent idiot network admins from disabling ipv6 locally because they're too lazy to learn how it works, make some websites v6 only. Start with essential government websites and move on to laws forcing more and more private websites to be v6 only to force people to maintain its functionality in their networks. See: https://konecipv4.cz/en/ https://konecipv4.cz/en/ The market has been given its chance to move for DECADES and we're not NEARLY at the approximately 100% deployment that we need. It's time that we fix this mess.

jcranmer 2y ago

Here's Google's graph: https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html Adoption rate is currently increasing roughly linearly at a rate of about 5 percentage points every 12-18 months. Also note that there is a clear weekday/weekend pattern, with weekdays about 3-4 percentage points lower than weekends.

rnhmjoj 2y ago
I wonder what happened in March.
- School-Cotton 2y ago
  Probably their data collection was just broken for whatever reason.
rvnx 2y ago
It means 100% adoption will be in 2040 using linear regression model.
mike_d 2y ago
IPv6 "adoption" is happening at roughly the same rate as the move to handheld devices becoming the primary browsing platform. The weekday split you see is people being on their work computers during the day and personal tablets/phones on weekends. Very little progress has actually been made to move the bulk of stuff using v4 addresses over to v6. AWS v6 only instances have only been around for 20 months or so?
- School-Cotton 2y ago
  FWIW the weekday numbers are increasing too, they just lag the weekend ones a bit. I don't know how to quantify "very little progress", but my home ISP (Verizon FiOS in NYC) got IPv6 relatively recently (maybe a year or two ago). Anyway, don't most people connect to WiFi while using their handheld devices at home anyway?
- simoncion 2y ago
  > AWS v6 only instances have only been around for 20 months or so? a) According to [0], AWS has provided IPv6 addressing to EC2 instances since 2016. > IPv6 support for Amazon Elastic Compute Cloud (Amazon EC2) has been available along with IPv6 support for several other services since 2016. Refer to the 2016 blog post at [1], which says (among other things) > By default, every IPv6 address is public and internet-routable. For customers requiring a private subnet on their IPv6-enabled VPCs, we are introducing a new resource within the VPC called the Egress-only Internet Gateway, which can be setup to allow one-way access to Internet resources. b) I don't get the "This migration only counts if we can support only IPv6 and shut off IPv4" obsession. I see no reason to shut off IPv4 within our lifetimes. I expect the distant future will be providing end-users with a globally-routable IPv6 prefix and a CGNATted-to-hell-and-back IPv4 address for reaching out to those sites that may still be using v4 only. [0] <https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/publicsector/aws-enables-us-federal-governments-move-ipv6/ https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/publicsector/aws-enables-us-fed...> [1] <https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2016/12/announcing-internet-protocol-version-6-support-for-ec2-instances-in-amazon-virtual-private-cloud/ https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2016/12/announcin...>
  - mike_d 2y ago
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sczcas 2y ago
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ehPReth 2y ago

my ISP has no plans for it.. and even escalating it to the highest levels the best answer was something like they're focused on upgrading physical infrastructure and aren't bothering with IPv6 at this time (despite me casually asking for 10+ years)

photonbeam 2y ago
We need the FCC to say its a requirement for 2028 or some such year
- tsimionescu 2y ago
  You do realize that the FCC doesn't have jurisdiction over pretty big parts of the Internet?
  - mikl 2y ago
    Sure, but what happens in the U.S. part of the Internet tends to set the tone for the rest. A U.S. mandate would do a lot to swing things in the right direction, and many other countries would likely follow along and pass similar mandates.
  - photonbeam 2y ago
    Even if its just “all US residential services have ipv6 by 2028” fixes a lot of the chicken and egg

mikl 2y ago

Yeah, problem is that we’re competing with ~99.99% for IPv4. So until IPv6 gets in that ballpark, most Internet servers (HTTP and friends) will still need to IPv4 addresses. And as long as that is true, many companies won’t bother and their service will be IPv4 only. Meaning ISPs must continue to offer IPv4 connectivity to their customers. A true chicken and egg problem. At this rate, we’ll be struggling with IP-shortages, CGNAT and other fun things for decades to come. And it’s all so unnecessary.