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Injecting yourself with something that has proven cancer causing chemicals cannot be harmless if course

aeturnum 2y ago
It certainly can - I think artificial sweeteners are great examples. There are experimental studies that show that artificial sweeteners can cause cancer in animal studies, but as of yet there's no clear evidence of that showing up for any definable population in the real world[1]. Chemicals linked to cancer (or other conditions) are cause for concern! It's important to note & track these things. But the dose makes the poison and it's totally possible to inject a chemical that 100% causes cancer (under some circumstances) with no adverse impacts. [1] https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/diet/artificial-sweeteners-fact-sheet https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/d...
- arisAlexis 2y ago
  You are talking about non cancer causing chemicals to humans. The definition of a cancer causing chemicals is it will cause cancer. If it's a small dose it will not be easily detectable that doesn't mean it doesn't cause harm.
  - akvadrako 2y ago
    Everything is about dosage. Even a small enough amount of uranium isn't harmfull and is quite normal. It's at the point where trying to avoid it will cause more of an issue.
    - arisAlexis 2y ago
      Trying to avoid tattoos doesn't cause any issues. Radiation is normal in nature. Injecting lead into your epidermis isn't. Any amount will do harm just like 1 cigarette is worse than 0.
      - aeturnum 2y ago
        > Radiation is normal in nature. Radiation is normal in nature and will give you cancer. That's the main reason why people wear sunscreen[1]. It's not like there's a "natural" amount of radiation that is 100% safe and then you cross a boundary. I agree that avoiding tattoos is harmless. Tattoos have no "benefits" - but those aren't the statements we are critiquing. > just like 1 cigarette is worse than 0 This is almost certainly not true. Nicotine has a number of properties that might benefit you in the moment, or under certain conditions[2]. Cigarettes are not "healthy" and they are never going to be the "best" delivery system, but there exist many situations where your health would improve if you have your very first cigarette. Another good example is that Vitamin D, which is an essential nutrient, can cause increased cancer risk[3]. Looking at substances as "causing cancer" or "safe" will lead you to an inaccurate understanding of when you are taking risks and when you are not. You can't live without Vitamin D and also if you get too much it can help give you cancer. [1] It's not actually clear how much sunscreen protects from cancer https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7759112/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7759112/ [2] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8746297/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8746297/ [3] https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/diet/vitamin-d-fact-sheet https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/d...
        arisAlexis 2y ago
        > there exist many situations where your health would improve if you have your very first cigarette. Can't argue with a science denier unfortunately, good luck

It certainly can - I think artificial sweeteners are great examples. There are experimental studies that show that artificial sweeteners can cause cancer in animal studies, but as of yet there's no clear evidence of that showing up for any definable population in the real world[1]. Chemicals linked to cancer (or other conditions) are cause for concern! It's important to note & track these things. But the dose makes the poison and it's totally possible to inject a chemical that 100% causes cancer (under some circumstances) with no adverse impacts. [1] https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/diet/artificial-sweeteners-fact-sheet https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/d...

arisAlexis 2y ago
You are talking about non cancer causing chemicals to humans. The definition of a cancer causing chemicals is it will cause cancer. If it's a small dose it will not be easily detectable that doesn't mean it doesn't cause harm.
- akvadrako 2y ago
  Everything is about dosage. Even a small enough amount of uranium isn't harmfull and is quite normal. It's at the point where trying to avoid it will cause more of an issue.
  - arisAlexis 2y ago
    Trying to avoid tattoos doesn't cause any issues. Radiation is normal in nature. Injecting lead into your epidermis isn't. Any amount will do harm just like 1 cigarette is worse than 0.
    - aeturnum 2y ago
      > Radiation is normal in nature. Radiation is normal in nature and will give you cancer. That's the main reason why people wear sunscreen[1]. It's not like there's a "natural" amount of radiation that is 100% safe and then you cross a boundary. I agree that avoiding tattoos is harmless. Tattoos have no "benefits" - but those aren't the statements we are critiquing. > just like 1 cigarette is worse than 0 This is almost certainly not true. Nicotine has a number of properties that might benefit you in the moment, or under certain conditions[2]. Cigarettes are not "healthy" and they are never going to be the "best" delivery system, but there exist many situations where your health would improve if you have your very first cigarette. Another good example is that Vitamin D, which is an essential nutrient, can cause increased cancer risk[3]. Looking at substances as "causing cancer" or "safe" will lead you to an inaccurate understanding of when you are taking risks and when you are not. You can't live without Vitamin D and also if you get too much it can help give you cancer. [1] It's not actually clear how much sunscreen protects from cancer https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7759112/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7759112/ [2] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8746297/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8746297/ [3] https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/diet/vitamin-d-fact-sheet https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/d...
      - arisAlexis 2y ago
        > there exist many situations where your health would improve if you have your very first cigarette. Can't argue with a science denier unfortunately, good luck