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Densification works organically when you don't ban it. That's the way cities have always grown. You plan for the future, upzone areas when appropriate, let the

Densification works organically when you don't ban it. That's the way cities have always grown. You plan for the future, upzone areas when appropriate, let the property owners determine what's in their best interests, and collaborate with them to ensure that the necessary infrastructure gets built.

mschuster91 2y ago
> You plan for the future, upzone areas when appropriate That is a luxury Americans and Asians have, simply because there is/has been just so much unsettled land available. Here in Europe, our cities are quite literally millennia old, some such as Rome dating back to the earliest days of recorded human civilization. It is incredibly difficult to retrofit anything there, and that's before you take archaeological and landmark protection demands into account.
- twixfel 2y ago
  It's not a luxury only they have, and Asia has lots of ancient cities too, sorry to disappoint you but urbanisation did not begin in Europe. Just down the road from me in the middle of the city we have a huge Kleingartenverein. That area could be flats, boom—city's denser. Your take that it's impossible to make European cities denser just doesn't make any sense at all.
  - mschuster91 2y ago
    Yeah, and yet another piece of valuable biodiversity, yet another green zone down the drain. "Kleingärten" serve a vital and valuable role in a city's ecology.
    - twixfel 2y ago
      Why only reply to the comment about Kleingärten, is it because you realise you're wrong about what you said about only Europe having old cities? Which is actually a fairly comically cringe and ignorant comment to make? I live in Hamburg and it's relatively young at 1200 years old. There are lots of far older cities than that in Asia which apparently somehow have the luxury of space and being built from scratch (lol). Cities are dense and cities are good for the environment. Your dream of everyone living in the middle of nowhere and driving everywhere in cars would be an ecological disaster, far worse than these shitty Kleingärten that should generally be got rid of anyway, since, there's nothing biodiverse about Kleingärten, they're just monocultures that are privately owned. If we careed about biodiversity then we would rewild them.

mschuster91 2y ago

> You plan for the future, upzone areas when appropriate That is a luxury Americans and Asians have, simply because there is/has been just so much unsettled land available. Here in Europe, our cities are quite literally millennia old, some such as Rome dating back to the earliest days of recorded human civilization. It is incredibly difficult to retrofit anything there, and that's before you take archaeological and landmark protection demands into account.

twixfel 2y ago
It's not a luxury only they have, and Asia has lots of ancient cities too, sorry to disappoint you but urbanisation did not begin in Europe. Just down the road from me in the middle of the city we have a huge Kleingartenverein. That area could be flats, boom—city's denser. Your take that it's impossible to make European cities denser just doesn't make any sense at all.
- mschuster91 2y ago
  Yeah, and yet another piece of valuable biodiversity, yet another green zone down the drain. "Kleingärten" serve a vital and valuable role in a city's ecology.
  - twixfel 2y ago
    Why only reply to the comment about Kleingärten, is it because you realise you're wrong about what you said about only Europe having old cities? Which is actually a fairly comically cringe and ignorant comment to make? I live in Hamburg and it's relatively young at 1200 years old. There are lots of far older cities than that in Asia which apparently somehow have the luxury of space and being built from scratch (lol). Cities are dense and cities are good for the environment. Your dream of everyone living in the middle of nowhere and driving everywhere in cars would be an ecological disaster, far worse than these shitty Kleingärten that should generally be got rid of anyway, since, there's nothing biodiverse about Kleingärten, they're just monocultures that are privately owned. If we careed about biodiversity then we would rewild them.