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Of course, whatever Wired says only works if everyone lives the suburb life style. In Europe you'd need a lot more public chargers.

moooo99 2y ago
One could argue that in Europe, you’d have a much easier time to design the infrastructure in such a way that reliance on cars in general is substantially reduced, hence also removing demand for EV chargers of any kind
- redserk 2y ago
  Europe isn’t this monolithic 100% hyperdense urban utopia Americans tend to think it is. There are a lot of suburbs and rural areas where people still use cars.
  - moooo99 2y ago
    I am aware that this is the case, especially since I am European. However, this is a non-argument against my initial claim. The top comment made a point implying that having home charging stations is only possible if you're living that suburban lifestyle (i.e. single family home/duplex with designated parking) but in a city with on street parking it is not. Howver, most (bigger) european cities have some resemblance of decent public transport infrastructure and are less car-centered than US cities, making the move to non-car transportation much easier than in the US. For rural areas and suburbs, where people have to rely on cars, the initial argument doesn't even apply considering they are living the "suburban lifestyle" that has been deemed a non-issue from the go
- nottorp 2y ago
  Nice theory but while Europe is better than the US in that respect, I believe the only place where that actually works is the likes of Japan... [Bet that some Japanese HNer will show up in 4... 3... 2... 1... to complain about their traffic though.]
Symbiote 2y ago
> As a result of the early efforts to make the switch to EVs, the US currently has 188,600 public and private charging ports, and 67,900 charging stations, according to data collected by the US Department of Energy and > There were more than 630,000 charge points in the bloc at the end of 2023 (https://www.transportenvironment.org/articles/most-eu-countries-on-track-to-meet-charging-targets https://www.transportenvironment.org/articles/most-eu-countr...) so Europe (the EU) is already well ahead.
azinman2 2y ago
The title literally says the US. Every country is different.
rootusrootus 2y ago
Well over half of the population owns or rents a detached or semi-detached home with plausible driveway charging. Yes we need to work on the people who don't have that option, but it is totally valid to observe that a huge chunk of people only need public chargers a couple times a year.
dymk 2y ago
Seattle is rapidly installing EV chargers on power poles for public use in dense urban areas
- 201984 2y ago
  Only 25 for the whole city so far, and with a 60% markup over standard electricity rates (0.21/kWh vs 0.13/kWh).
  - MostlyStable 2y ago
    That's about half the price of commercial DC fast charging in my area ($0.40-$0.50/kWh), and, according to the math in another comment, about half the break even price with gasoline. It's certainly more expensive than what I pay to charge at my house, but I wouldn't be mad about it if I had that available to me.

moooo99 2y ago

One could argue that in Europe, you’d have a much easier time to design the infrastructure in such a way that reliance on cars in general is substantially reduced, hence also removing demand for EV chargers of any kind

redserk 2y ago
Europe isn’t this monolithic 100% hyperdense urban utopia Americans tend to think it is. There are a lot of suburbs and rural areas where people still use cars.
- moooo99 2y ago
  I am aware that this is the case, especially since I am European. However, this is a non-argument against my initial claim. The top comment made a point implying that having home charging stations is only possible if you're living that suburban lifestyle (i.e. single family home/duplex with designated parking) but in a city with on street parking it is not. Howver, most (bigger) european cities have some resemblance of decent public transport infrastructure and are less car-centered than US cities, making the move to non-car transportation much easier than in the US. For rural areas and suburbs, where people have to rely on cars, the initial argument doesn't even apply considering they are living the "suburban lifestyle" that has been deemed a non-issue from the go
nottorp 2y ago
Nice theory but while Europe is better than the US in that respect, I believe the only place where that actually works is the likes of Japan... [Bet that some Japanese HNer will show up in 4... 3... 2... 1... to complain about their traffic though.]

Symbiote 2y ago

> As a result of the early efforts to make the switch to EVs, the US currently has 188,600 public and private charging ports, and 67,900 charging stations, according to data collected by the US Department of Energy and > There were more than 630,000 charge points in the bloc at the end of 2023 (https://www.transportenvironment.org/articles/most-eu-countries-on-track-to-meet-charging-targets https://www.transportenvironment.org/articles/most-eu-countr...) so Europe (the EU) is already well ahead.

azinman2 2y ago

The title literally says the US. Every country is different.

rootusrootus 2y ago

Well over half of the population owns or rents a detached or semi-detached home with plausible driveway charging. Yes we need to work on the people who don't have that option, but it is totally valid to observe that a huge chunk of people only need public chargers a couple times a year.

dymk 2y ago

Seattle is rapidly installing EV chargers on power poles for public use in dense urban areas

201984 2y ago
Only 25 for the whole city so far, and with a 60% markup over standard electricity rates (0.21/kWh vs 0.13/kWh).
- MostlyStable 2y ago
  That's about half the price of commercial DC fast charging in my area ($0.40-$0.50/kWh), and, according to the math in another comment, about half the break even price with gasoline. It's certainly more expensive than what I pay to charge at my house, but I wouldn't be mad about it if I had that available to me.