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Everyone's home internet connection now is very fast. They are very capable of hosting a static website of files in folders from home as a human person without

Everyone's home internet connection now is very fast. They are very capable of hosting a static website of files in folders from home as a human person without CAs being involved. And it's much safer than, say, running Chrome w/javascript on and visiting a random website.

immibis 2y ago
Except they aren't fully capable, because it's considered insecure and certain features are disabled, and all options to bypass this was deliberately made extremely difficult to bypass. It would be even worse if Mozilla's original plan had succeeded - making TLS completely mandatory on the Internet, so that http URLs would only be accepted for localhost and RFC1918 IP addresses.
- superkuh 2y ago
  Yes, people stuck using a corporate browser might have trouble accessing non-corporate websites because of those browser's loses of capability. It sucks. HTTP webservers are fully capable but realistically every human person should do HTTP+HTTPS for the best of both worlds. Regardless, for HTTP there's an entire 'year 2000's web' worth of people out there using browsers that can access the non-corporate web. As the corporate web diverges with things like stateful HTTP extensions, UDP HTTP, and CA TLS only implementations (if not spec) there's no need to switch to a niche protocol like Gemini. Just making a normal website on the web is enough to bring back the old small web environment. As a human person not operating under a profit motive and just doing things for kicks this is just fine. A silver lining like how usenet is actually good again now that most people don't get it from their ISP.
  - immibis 2y ago
    Corporate browsers such as (checks notes) Firefox and all of its forks.
    - superkuh 2y ago
      Yes, Mozilla is very corporate. These days it's primary design considerations are about executing javascript to buy things or watch DRM media. It's use cases cannot allow for it being a web browser for human persons. It uses cases are all about commerce now. But there are fine Firefox forks that split off before it just became a chrome copy.
sidewndr46 2y ago
Chrome, Brave & other browsers now refuse to download content from HTTP websites. In the coming years, HTTP will be fully deprecated on consumer platforms for browsing the web

immibis 2y ago

Except they aren't fully capable, because it's considered insecure and certain features are disabled, and all options to bypass this was deliberately made extremely difficult to bypass. It would be even worse if Mozilla's original plan had succeeded - making TLS completely mandatory on the Internet, so that http URLs would only be accepted for localhost and RFC1918 IP addresses.

superkuh 2y ago
Yes, people stuck using a corporate browser might have trouble accessing non-corporate websites because of those browser's loses of capability. It sucks. HTTP webservers are fully capable but realistically every human person should do HTTP+HTTPS for the best of both worlds. Regardless, for HTTP there's an entire 'year 2000's web' worth of people out there using browsers that can access the non-corporate web. As the corporate web diverges with things like stateful HTTP extensions, UDP HTTP, and CA TLS only implementations (if not spec) there's no need to switch to a niche protocol like Gemini. Just making a normal website on the web is enough to bring back the old small web environment. As a human person not operating under a profit motive and just doing things for kicks this is just fine. A silver lining like how usenet is actually good again now that most people don't get it from their ISP.
- immibis 2y ago
  Corporate browsers such as (checks notes) Firefox and all of its forks.
  - superkuh 2y ago
    Yes, Mozilla is very corporate. These days it's primary design considerations are about executing javascript to buy things or watch DRM media. It's use cases cannot allow for it being a web browser for human persons. It uses cases are all about commerce now. But there are fine Firefox forks that split off before it just became a chrome copy.

sidewndr46 2y ago

Chrome, Brave & other browsers now refuse to download content from HTTP websites. In the coming years, HTTP will be fully deprecated on consumer platforms for browsing the web