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The tip does NOT work in general. Afaik (currently) the majority of ATS do not work like that. There is no simple ChatGPT auto advance application feature. The

The tip does NOT work in general. Afaik (currently) the majority of ATS do not work like that. There is no simple ChatGPT auto advance application feature. The biggest ATS do care about AI and privacy regulations which make this approach legally problematic. Regarding the EU: if the ATS does NOT list OpenAI as a data subprocessor you can expect they wont send a resume to ChatGPT. They are not allowed to.

bootsmann 2y ago
The ATS will not but the recruiter might make themselves more efficient by uploading stuff to chatgpt.
- staticautomatic 2y ago
  Plausible but still a GDPR violation.
  - littlestymaar 2y ago
    Not erasing your emails after some time (or at least not removing the sender or recipient email address) is also a GDPR violation (because email addresses are personal information). Source: a privacy compliance lawyer working at a billion dollar European corporation told me that one day.
    - bmicraft 2y ago
      That would make sense only if the owner of that address is not an ongoing customer of yours
      - dhosek 2y ago
        But an ongoing customer would have newer emails that don’t get deleted over time.
      - input_sh 2y ago
        It's for as long as necessary to serve the purpose. If you're brought to court, you could either argue that you still need it for your specific use case, or you can point to some internal procedure to delete stuff that's way past the point of usefulness and say that you're already complying. And as the parent comment said, you don't really have to delete them at all, keeping some sort of a copy that you ran through some sort of a personal data removal tool also works. Example: years old closed support tickets, you'll never need to know exactly who made them, but you might wanna reference some info from them.
- jackspawn 2y ago
  They would get less efficient if they did. Recruiters need/want to decide in less than 30 seconds. It is easier for them to just make a rough call after looking at the resume from a distance
  - rcthompson 2y ago
    I dunno what the interface looks like, but couldn't they hand the AI the entire stack of resumes and tell it to give them the N best ones?
    - jackspawn 2y ago
      too complex. all the ATS (=recruiting softwares) are not built for that think about it: they typically support looking at one resume at a time, then click a yes/no button, then show the next one it is not easy to use OpenAI as you mentioned. many problems. one is: you will need to search/scroll for those resumes which the AI selected
  - AlwaysRock 2y ago
    Really depends on if the recruiter knows anything about what they are recruiting for or not. Recruiter focused on a small area of tech and has hired for similar roles for several years? They probably understand at least what to look for on a resume. Recruiter has 30+ roles to recruiter for spanning marketing, tech, and finance? They also had exactly 1 conversation with the manager about what they are looking for? They don't know JavaScript from Java? ChatGPT is going to at least give them a, "Call this person" or "Dont call this person" response. source: was a tech recruiter for many years before becoming a developer
    - jackspawn 2y ago
      oh dear, most recruiters are clueless, and they WILL reject a candidate who is a core React contributor, because unfortunately they don't know JavaScript i have worked now in the industry for a few years. it is sad.
  - tarkin2 2y ago
jtwaleson 2y ago
True, and for the bigger companies you can assume this will be handled correctly. A lot of smaller companies don’t follow the rules that strictly. Off-topic: if I understand the GDPR correctly, applicants can also request all of their data of the interview process, and the company will have to send their interview notes, assessments etc. Would be a dick move, and I’ve never seen it done, but I’m still waiting for the first candidate to try it.
- thayne 2y ago
  If true, that would be a good way to get around companies never telling you why you were rejected. I'm doubtful that would actually work though.
Szpadel 2y ago
I know about at least one big world wide corp that use LLM for checking CVs, I'm not sure if something like that would actually change result (mostly because this is multi prompt chain) but it's definitely used/considered by many companies you cannot use chatgpt, but you can use azure openai API (with is basically the same thing, but because it's hosted solution, its allowed to be used)

bootsmann 2y ago

The ATS will not but the recruiter might make themselves more efficient by uploading stuff to chatgpt.

staticautomatic 2y ago
Plausible but still a GDPR violation.
- littlestymaar 2y ago
  Not erasing your emails after some time (or at least not removing the sender or recipient email address) is also a GDPR violation (because email addresses are personal information). Source: a privacy compliance lawyer working at a billion dollar European corporation told me that one day.
  - bmicraft 2y ago
    That would make sense only if the owner of that address is not an ongoing customer of yours
    - dhosek 2y ago
      But an ongoing customer would have newer emails that don’t get deleted over time.
    - input_sh 2y ago
      It's for as long as necessary to serve the purpose. If you're brought to court, you could either argue that you still need it for your specific use case, or you can point to some internal procedure to delete stuff that's way past the point of usefulness and say that you're already complying. And as the parent comment said, you don't really have to delete them at all, keeping some sort of a copy that you ran through some sort of a personal data removal tool also works. Example: years old closed support tickets, you'll never need to know exactly who made them, but you might wanna reference some info from them.
jackspawn 2y ago
They would get less efficient if they did. Recruiters need/want to decide in less than 30 seconds. It is easier for them to just make a rough call after looking at the resume from a distance
- rcthompson 2y ago
  I dunno what the interface looks like, but couldn't they hand the AI the entire stack of resumes and tell it to give them the N best ones?
  - jackspawn 2y ago
    too complex. all the ATS (=recruiting softwares) are not built for that think about it: they typically support looking at one resume at a time, then click a yes/no button, then show the next one it is not easy to use OpenAI as you mentioned. many problems. one is: you will need to search/scroll for those resumes which the AI selected
- AlwaysRock 2y ago
  Really depends on if the recruiter knows anything about what they are recruiting for or not. Recruiter focused on a small area of tech and has hired for similar roles for several years? They probably understand at least what to look for on a resume. Recruiter has 30+ roles to recruiter for spanning marketing, tech, and finance? They also had exactly 1 conversation with the manager about what they are looking for? They don't know JavaScript from Java? ChatGPT is going to at least give them a, "Call this person" or "Dont call this person" response. source: was a tech recruiter for many years before becoming a developer
  - jackspawn 2y ago
    oh dear, most recruiters are clueless, and they WILL reject a candidate who is a core React contributor, because unfortunately they don't know JavaScript i have worked now in the industry for a few years. it is sad.
- tarkin2 2y ago

jtwaleson 2y ago

True, and for the bigger companies you can assume this will be handled correctly. A lot of smaller companies don’t follow the rules that strictly. Off-topic: if I understand the GDPR correctly, applicants can also request all of their data of the interview process, and the company will have to send their interview notes, assessments etc. Would be a dick move, and I’ve never seen it done, but I’m still waiting for the first candidate to try it.

thayne 2y ago
If true, that would be a good way to get around companies never telling you why you were rejected. I'm doubtful that would actually work though.

Szpadel 2y ago

I know about at least one big world wide corp that use LLM for checking CVs, I'm not sure if something like that would actually change result (mostly because this is multi prompt chain) but it's definitely used/considered by many companies you cannot use chatgpt, but you can use azure openai API (with is basically the same thing, but because it's hosted solution, its allowed to be used)