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Yes, four slot DDR5 is going to be much slower than two slot DDR5 due to signal integrity difficulties. Look at a DDR5 motherboard’s qualified memory configurat

Yes, four slot DDR5 is going to be much slower than two slot DDR5 due to signal integrity difficulties. Look at a DDR5 motherboard’s qualified memory configurations and compare the x2 setups to x4 and you will see the huge difference in clock rates.

nottorp 2y ago
What's "much slower"? 10%? 30%? 60%? Are the speeds that don't work in an x4 configuration even within spec, or "overclocked"? Is that why everyone is complaining about ddr5 prices? Atm I'm fine with my ddr4 box and will probably still be for the next few years. Tbh the last time I've seen a noticeable difference from memory speed was when I overclocked my ram (and system bus!) from 66 to 100 Mhz. Back in the pentium 1 / amd k5 era, i believe. I do have a feeling what you're describing only means 5 more fps in some benchmarks... And last, a friendly reminder. If your working set doesn't fit in ram you're screwed no matter what your ram speed is :)
- Gracana 2y ago
  As doikor said, it’ll halve your RAM speed. That’s not a rule, but it’s typical.
  - nottorp 2y ago
    So... if you want a reasonable amount of ram for real work (64 G+) you're better off with ddr4?
    - doikor 2y ago
      You just buy large modules. There are 64 and 128gb modules (mainly meant for servers) For example 64gb from Samsung for 350€ https://www.dateks.lv/en/cenas/atmina-ram/1028642-samsung-64gb-ddr5-4800mhz-cl40-single-stick https://www.dateks.lv/en/cenas/atmina-ram/1028642-samsung-64... I think they go up to 512gb per single module these days. The really big ones are really hard to buy for us mere mortals but you can get them through various data center/enterprise hardware vendors.
HPsquared 2y ago
If that's the case, would it be possible to deactivate those sticks for extra speed if memory usage is currently low?
- _cenw 2y ago
  The calibration to get just 2 sticks to be stable is around 20-50 seconds already, during which the memory controller is testing different sequencing and even clocks for individual lanes to minimize interference. So unless you want to stop the entire CPU if you need that memory, no. You're running a signal at 2.4+ GHz (commonly 3 GHz for DDR5-6000) over 288 pins over several centimeters simultaneously, it's not pretty.
- Gracana 2y ago
  No, the signal integrity loss is caused by the physical presence of the additional modules.

nottorp 2y ago

What's "much slower"? 10%? 30%? 60%? Are the speeds that don't work in an x4 configuration even within spec, or "overclocked"? Is that why everyone is complaining about ddr5 prices? Atm I'm fine with my ddr4 box and will probably still be for the next few years. Tbh the last time I've seen a noticeable difference from memory speed was when I overclocked my ram (and system bus!) from 66 to 100 Mhz. Back in the pentium 1 / amd k5 era, i believe. I do have a feeling what you're describing only means 5 more fps in some benchmarks... And last, a friendly reminder. If your working set doesn't fit in ram you're screwed no matter what your ram speed is :)

Gracana 2y ago
As doikor said, it’ll halve your RAM speed. That’s not a rule, but it’s typical.
- nottorp 2y ago
  So... if you want a reasonable amount of ram for real work (64 G+) you're better off with ddr4?
  - doikor 2y ago
    You just buy large modules. There are 64 and 128gb modules (mainly meant for servers) For example 64gb from Samsung for 350€ https://www.dateks.lv/en/cenas/atmina-ram/1028642-samsung-64gb-ddr5-4800mhz-cl40-single-stick https://www.dateks.lv/en/cenas/atmina-ram/1028642-samsung-64... I think they go up to 512gb per single module these days. The really big ones are really hard to buy for us mere mortals but you can get them through various data center/enterprise hardware vendors.

HPsquared 2y ago

If that's the case, would it be possible to deactivate those sticks for extra speed if memory usage is currently low?

_cenw 2y ago
The calibration to get just 2 sticks to be stable is around 20-50 seconds already, during which the memory controller is testing different sequencing and even clocks for individual lanes to minimize interference. So unless you want to stop the entire CPU if you need that memory, no. You're running a signal at 2.4+ GHz (commonly 3 GHz for DDR5-6000) over 288 pins over several centimeters simultaneously, it's not pretty.
Gracana 2y ago
No, the signal integrity loss is caused by the physical presence of the additional modules.