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How was the Nakba a genocide?

corimaith 2y ago
The word "genocide" (and many other terms) means very little nowadays. Well you can tell at least the parent isn't trying to be neutral in providing history there.
stanfordkid 2y ago
It was ethnic cleansing, violent forced displacement paired with massacres of 750,000 people. My mistake — not genocide.
- weatherlite 2y ago
  You're correct it was not genocide. The other side carried out quite a few massacres of its own and tried to displace the Jews (or worse) - so it was pretty much just a war.
racional 2y ago
Per the modern definition of the term: Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide
- weatherlite 2y ago
  So indeed the Nakba was not a genocide
  - racional 2y ago
    The Nakba is ongoing, and fulfills the definitions (a)-(d) in Article 2 of the 1948 Genocide Convention to the letter. You can call it a "small" genocide if you want. But you won't get anywhere denying either the facts of what has been happening to the Palestinians, or their relation to genocidal acts as defined above.
    - weatherlite 2y ago
      Nope not a genocide...by any reasonable definition it was not.
      - racional 2y ago
        “We are imposing a complete siege on Gaza. There will be no electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. Everything will be closed. We are fighting human animals and we act accordingly” -- Defense Minister Yoav Gallant
        weatherlite 2y ago
        So the Nakba is on going according to you, you're not even talking about 1948. Whatever.
        racional 2y ago
        So the Nakba is on going You're catching on! The Nakba is as fresh as ever. Just ask these folks -- who are definitely in a position to know: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40372975 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40372975 As the Minister for Foreign Affairs instructs us: "Remember 48". And he sure ain't kidding. It is all very much an ongoing process.
        weatherlite 2y ago
        Right. I can find a collection of quotes by current and previous Palestinian leaders that make them appear to be a bunch of genocidal, religious fanatics and holocaust deniers. But I'm not gonna do that because the day is short and I'm not sure what its going to achieve.
        racional 2y ago
        The quotes were directly relevant to the topic that you raised. The genocidal intent of the Nakba was as clear in 1948 as it is with the Nakba in its current form today.

The word "genocide" (and many other terms) means very little nowadays. Well you can tell at least the parent isn't trying to be neutral in providing history there.

stanfordkid 2y ago

It was ethnic cleansing, violent forced displacement paired with massacres of 750,000 people. My mistake — not genocide.

weatherlite 2y ago
You're correct it was not genocide. The other side carried out quite a few massacres of its own and tried to displace the Jews (or worse) - so it was pretty much just a war.

racional 2y ago

Per the modern definition of the term: Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

weatherlite 2y ago
So indeed the Nakba was not a genocide
- racional 2y ago
  The Nakba is ongoing, and fulfills the definitions (a)-(d) in Article 2 of the 1948 Genocide Convention to the letter. You can call it a "small" genocide if you want. But you won't get anywhere denying either the facts of what has been happening to the Palestinians, or their relation to genocidal acts as defined above.
  - weatherlite 2y ago
    Nope not a genocide...by any reasonable definition it was not.
    - racional 2y ago
      “We are imposing a complete siege on Gaza. There will be no electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. Everything will be closed. We are fighting human animals and we act accordingly” -- Defense Minister Yoav Gallant
      - weatherlite 2y ago
        So the Nakba is on going according to you, you're not even talking about 1948. Whatever.
        racional 2y ago
        So the Nakba is on going You're catching on! The Nakba is as fresh as ever. Just ask these folks -- who are definitely in a position to know: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40372975 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40372975 As the Minister for Foreign Affairs instructs us: "Remember 48". And he sure ain't kidding. It is all very much an ongoing process.
        weatherlite 2y ago
        Right. I can find a collection of quotes by current and previous Palestinian leaders that make them appear to be a bunch of genocidal, religious fanatics and holocaust deniers. But I'm not gonna do that because the day is short and I'm not sure what its going to achieve.
        racional 2y ago
        The quotes were directly relevant to the topic that you raised. The genocidal intent of the Nakba was as clear in 1948 as it is with the Nakba in its current form today.