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Apple already force useless "assistants" on you, how is this different? For example, you can't use CarPlay with Siri disabled, even if you dont use Siri at all.

by diggan 2y ago

Apple already force useless "assistants" on you, how is this different? For example, you can't use CarPlay with Siri disabled, even if you dont use Siri at all. Similarly, you cant disable ChatGPT training on your chat history without also disabling history in general. So to me this seems like a match made in heaven.

Loic 2y ago
In the data control of ChatGPT, you can now disable the use of your data for training: Model improvement Improve the model for everyone [ ] Allow your content to be used to train our models, which makes ChatGPT better for you and everyone who uses it. We take steps to protect your privacy. Learn more Still, I agree with the OP that all these ML/LLM should be on device. My mobile phone is very personal.
- bayindirh 2y ago
  Are we absolutely positive that the cables for that switch is connected somewhere, anywhere*? *: Except a little LED which glows when you throw the switch.
detourdog 2y ago
Isn't Siri required for speech processing? I use voice control the most while in my car. Do you really just want to use the buttons? I can understand that could be the case but I never considered this.
- diggan 2y ago
  > Isn't Siri required for speech processing? Probably, but I don't use it, only use my car buttons/dial for controlling CarPlay. The times I've tried the voice control it got maybe 50% of the instructions correct, which was more distracting than the muscle-learned buttons/dial control, so I keep using what works. If I was trying to use voice control, it'd make sense. But I don't, so it doesn't.
- itscrush 2y ago
  Forcing me into a voice assistant enabled at all times regardless though kills the whole thing. I end up preferring buttons and gui because the hands-free "assistance" is most often exercises in frustration and I conclude not worth it. At this point many years of poor quality experience whenever I encounter voice processing is the matter. Happy to call me old, stupid, and bad at speech ... all are probably true. Still won't fix the frustrations I have for Siri, Tesla, Google-something, Bixby's button, and Alexa devices ... much less every customer service line now consistently apologizing that they didn't get that. Carplay is leaps and bounds a better approach to gui/console in most cars. Much better than Subaru, Ford, Toyota or others can produce and there shouldn't be a voice assistant cost along with it.
  - illiac786 2y ago
    You are not happy with the voice recognition quality (me neither). But I don’t see how Siri being an “assistant” changes anything. It’s just (poor) voice recognition (and only when triggered). What is the difference between an assistant and voice commands for you? And which of these differences cannot be turned off?
    - weikju 2y ago
      1) person does not like Siri 2) person does not want to use Siri 3) therefore person wants to disable Siri 4) person also has a car and wants to use CarPlay 5) CarPlay will NOT work without enabling Siri 3 and 5 are in conflict with each other
      - illiac786 2y ago
        You sound very condescending, fyi. Just don’t use it. Why is it so important to disable it? It’s similar to saying “I don’t want to use pockets, hence I don’t want any cloth with pockets”. It really feels like you’re fixating a bit on this. Since your have omitted “6/ person returns iPhone and happily goes on with its life”, I assume it’s the least bad option for you still. If you really want the level of detailed control you’re about, take a custom rom on android. It’s more work but it’s possible.
illiac786 2y ago
I’m not clear on the “forcing” part. What does Siri do you want it to stop doing? I use it to set a timer from time to time, that’s it. The rest of the time, we simply do not interact. It never triggers mistakenly for me.

by diggan 2y ago

Loic 2y ago

In the data control of ChatGPT, you can now disable the use of your data for training: Model improvement Improve the model for everyone [ ] Allow your content to be used to train our models, which makes ChatGPT better for you and everyone who uses it. We take steps to protect your privacy. Learn more Still, I agree with the OP that all these ML/LLM should be on device. My mobile phone is very personal.

bayindirh 2y ago
Are we absolutely positive that the cables for that switch is connected somewhere, anywhere*? *: Except a little LED which glows when you throw the switch.

detourdog 2y ago

Isn't Siri required for speech processing? I use voice control the most while in my car. Do you really just want to use the buttons? I can understand that could be the case but I never considered this.

diggan 2y ago
> Isn't Siri required for speech processing? Probably, but I don't use it, only use my car buttons/dial for controlling CarPlay. The times I've tried the voice control it got maybe 50% of the instructions correct, which was more distracting than the muscle-learned buttons/dial control, so I keep using what works. If I was trying to use voice control, it'd make sense. But I don't, so it doesn't.
itscrush 2y ago
Forcing me into a voice assistant enabled at all times regardless though kills the whole thing. I end up preferring buttons and gui because the hands-free "assistance" is most often exercises in frustration and I conclude not worth it. At this point many years of poor quality experience whenever I encounter voice processing is the matter. Happy to call me old, stupid, and bad at speech ... all are probably true. Still won't fix the frustrations I have for Siri, Tesla, Google-something, Bixby's button, and Alexa devices ... much less every customer service line now consistently apologizing that they didn't get that. Carplay is leaps and bounds a better approach to gui/console in most cars. Much better than Subaru, Ford, Toyota or others can produce and there shouldn't be a voice assistant cost along with it.
- illiac786 2y ago
  You are not happy with the voice recognition quality (me neither). But I don’t see how Siri being an “assistant” changes anything. It’s just (poor) voice recognition (and only when triggered). What is the difference between an assistant and voice commands for you? And which of these differences cannot be turned off?
  - weikju 2y ago
    1) person does not like Siri 2) person does not want to use Siri 3) therefore person wants to disable Siri 4) person also has a car and wants to use CarPlay 5) CarPlay will NOT work without enabling Siri 3 and 5 are in conflict with each other
    - illiac786 2y ago
      You sound very condescending, fyi. Just don’t use it. Why is it so important to disable it? It’s similar to saying “I don’t want to use pockets, hence I don’t want any cloth with pockets”. It really feels like you’re fixating a bit on this. Since your have omitted “6/ person returns iPhone and happily goes on with its life”, I assume it’s the least bad option for you still. If you really want the level of detailed control you’re about, take a custom rom on android. It’s more work but it’s possible.

illiac786 2y ago

I’m not clear on the “forcing” part. What does Siri do you want it to stop doing? I use it to set a timer from time to time, that’s it. The rest of the time, we simply do not interact. It never triggers mistakenly for me.