You're goalpost shifting in quite a major way. Your argument is that women are not the big winners on dating apps because the outcomes for both men and women a

You're goalpost shifting in quite a major way. Your argument is that women are not the big winners on dating apps because the outcomes for both men and women are equally bad. That is false. Language is imperfect but that's not the problem right now, it's that you are playing fast and loose with words and blaming it on language. I also very intentionally said "matches" and not "dates" because again, this entire thread is based on who the big winners of dating apps are. The goal of dating apps is to get matches. Someone else has even pointed out that these apps might more appropriately be called "matching apps", and I don't think anyone including you would disagree. (But in case you do, note that these apps have no concept of "dates"... Only matches) I'm not misunderstanding that this is a major failing of dating apps, I'm stating that as they are currently structured, based on the current rules: women are winning in dating apps. That is and was the topic of conversation. It wasn't stated that women are the big winners of romance and dating in general, and that's not what this thread is about. But you are attempting to make it about that in order to get away from your original point, which is still wrong, no matter how far we depart from it. Going to put a pin in this though.