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This war is not being fought to simply stop Hamas. That much is absolutely evident, from so many public declarations from virtually every member of Israel's gov

This war is not being fought to simply stop Hamas. That much is absolutely evident, from so many public declarations from virtually every member of Israel's government. The purpose of this war is, again, to punish all the people of Gaza for their colective guilt; and, it is also fought to actually retake some of their land for illegal Israeli settlers. The reason this is clear is also because killing Hamas achieves nothing, if you also destroy so much of the livelihood (and lives) of those living there. Even if Israel kills each and every last Hamas operative, in 5 years time at the worse, there will be new fighters taking their place, even more radical: what other reaction would anyone expect from people whose families you murdered, whose house you destroyed, whose entire future you've erased? And again, the solution to all of this was (and still is, in the long term) to stop killing the people of Palestine and stealing more and more of their land. If Israel just accepted the victory they've already achieved in their conquests in the 1940s and later, and allowed Palestine to be an independent, functional country, as almost achieved in the Oslo accords (before Israel sabotaged that process), then Palestinians would have also stopped attacking Israel, a long time ago. And please remember that Netanyahu has prouded himself for a long time in his ability to prevent a two-state solution, and considers Hamas a good ally in this goal. When, after this war, a new terrorist organization rises up instead of Hamas as a reaction to the slaughter, you can bet that Netanyahu or another similar Israeli politician will again favor them and seek to allow them to control Gaza, so that no dialog can ever happen and they get to keep the people of Gaza living in inhuman conditions. Anyone who sincerely wants more lives to saved can only want a two-state solution to be achieved as soon as possible. The killing will quickly stop once that truly happens. The only reason to not believe that is if you follow the far-right Israeli position that sees Palestinians as sub-human beasts.

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      > Israel really, really wants a two-state solution. Please find one quote on the matter from one Israeli politician currently in power that doesn't directly oppose this. I'll wait. Also, stop insisting people are racist. Neither Syria nor Jordan have killed >35,000 Palestinians in the last 5 months, so we are not currently discussing them, we're discussing the country that is doing it, today. Edit: let me start at the very top with Netanyahu's position [0]: > The prime minister added that “everyone knows that I am the one who for decades blocked the establishment of a Palestinian state that would endanger our existence.” Also see this article [3] about how Netanyahu and the head of the Mossad, Barnea, have been encouraging the continued funding of Hamas specifically to achieve this goal. And from the more moderate president [1]: > What I want to urge is against just saying two-state solution. Why? Because there is an emotional chapter here that must be dealt with. National security minister Ben Gvir [2]: > The war presents an “opportunity to concentrate on encouraging the migration of the residents of Gaza,” Ben Gvir told reporters and members of his far-right Otzma Yehudit party, calling such a policy “a correct, just, moral and humane solution.” > “We cannot withdraw from any territory we are in in the Gaza Strip. Not only do I not rule out Jewish settlement there, I believe it is also an important thing,” he said. Finance minister Smotrich [also 2]: > The “correct solution” to the ongoing Israeli-Palestinian conflict is “to encourage the voluntary migration of Gaza’s residents to countries that will agree to take in the refugees,” Smotrich told members of his Religious Zionism party, predicting that “Israel will permanently control the territory of the Gaza Strip,” including through the establishment of settlements. [0] https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-boasts-of-thwarting-the-establishment-of-a-palestinian-state-for-decades/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-boasts-of-thwarting-... [1] https://apnews.com/article/israel-war-hamas-herzog-president-houthis-gaza-9d8dc3c1011a56e98f0cbbe4c774868f https://apnews.com/article/israel-war-hamas-herzog-president... [2] https://www.timesofisrael.com/ministers-call-for-resettling-gazas-palestinians-building-settlements-in-strip/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/ministers-call-for-resettling-... [3] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-q...

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    > Israel really, really wants a two-state solution. Please find one quote on the matter from one Israeli politician currently in power that doesn't directly oppose this. I'll wait. Also, stop insisting people are racist. Neither Syria nor Jordan have killed >35,000 Palestinians in the last 5 months, so we are not currently discussing them, we're discussing the country that is doing it, today. Edit: let me start at the very top with Netanyahu's position [0]: > The prime minister added that “everyone knows that I am the one who for decades blocked the establishment of a Palestinian state that would endanger our existence.” Also see this article [3] about how Netanyahu and the head of the Mossad, Barnea, have been encouraging the continued funding of Hamas specifically to achieve this goal. And from the more moderate president [1]: > What I want to urge is against just saying two-state solution. Why? Because there is an emotional chapter here that must be dealt with. National security minister Ben Gvir [2]: > The war presents an “opportunity to concentrate on encouraging the migration of the residents of Gaza,” Ben Gvir told reporters and members of his far-right Otzma Yehudit party, calling such a policy “a correct, just, moral and humane solution.” > “We cannot withdraw from any territory we are in in the Gaza Strip. Not only do I not rule out Jewish settlement there, I believe it is also an important thing,” he said. Finance minister Smotrich [also 2]: > The “correct solution” to the ongoing Israeli-Palestinian conflict is “to encourage the voluntary migration of Gaza’s residents to countries that will agree to take in the refugees,” Smotrich told members of his Religious Zionism party, predicting that “Israel will permanently control the territory of the Gaza Strip,” including through the establishment of settlements. [0] https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-boasts-of-thwarting-the-establishment-of-a-palestinian-state-for-decades/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-boasts-of-thwarting-... [1] https://apnews.com/article/israel-war-hamas-herzog-president-houthis-gaza-9d8dc3c1011a56e98f0cbbe4c774868f https://apnews.com/article/israel-war-hamas-herzog-president... [2] https://www.timesofisrael.com/ministers-call-for-resettling-gazas-palestinians-building-settlements-in-strip/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/ministers-call-for-resettling-... [3] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-q...