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TLDR; it probably wasn't the russians, most likely a trawler.
by jamesblonde 2y ago
TLDR; it probably wasn't the russians, most likely a trawler.
- Waterluvian 2y agoThis was January 2022. Didn’t the alleged Russian interference happen later, during the invasion of Ukraine?
- defluct 2y agoMaybe you're thinking about Nord Stream
- jhugo 2y agoWhat would the Russian motivation be for blowing that up? They could have just turned off the gas supply.
- omnibrain 2y agoThey left one pipe of NS2. It would have been a political victory for Putin with humiliation of the German government if they had switched to this instead of stopping gas imports via NS1&2 completely.
- luuurker 2y agoI don't know who did it, but it helped to increase gas prices and Russia is a seller.
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- lamontcg 2y agoThe Ukrainians are flying drones filled with explosives into Russian refineries and we still don't think it was just the Ukrainians taking out the Russian gas pipeline?
- austhrow743 2y agoThat's a good reason to think it wasn't Ukraine not that it was. They're in open war with Russia, are openly attacking their resource infrastructure, and are frequently posting excellent high quality footage of it. Taking out the gas pipeline and then not using the attack for propaganda doesn't fit either their situation or their actions.
- lamontcg 2y agoThe pipeline had the additional complication that it was supplying heating fuel to Europe. Bragging about it to the Germans would have probably been a bad idea.
- Sabinus 2y agoThat's the thing though, at the time it wasn't supplying gas. Gazprom said it was having 'technical difficulties' (that the German equipment manufacturer denied) and had reduced the flows over time to zero to put pressure on the Europeans through high winter gas prices and low supplies. Your broader point is correct though, admitting to blowing it up would be bad press to any party.
- generj 2y agoThe argument I remember goes something like this (and I could be remembering it wrong). They claimed technical problems prevented them from fulfilling the amount of gas required by their contract for NS1 and NS2. Due to sanctions they essentially had to provide gas for free - or at least in exchange for money they were unable to spend or access. The pipe blowing up potentially saved them from having to pay a penalty fee in the contract once the gas hadn’t been moving for X number of days.
- gjs4786 2y agoWhy would Russia be concerned about a contract? Reminds me of a story on something like Unsolved Mysteries....lady had her husband killed because she was a christian, and thus, didn't believe in getting a divorce, and wanted to be with another man (his best friend.) And his friend went through with it...
- cess11 2y ago"NRK has previously reported how a Russian trawler crossed the Svalbad cable more than 140 times, and more than a dozen times before the damage occurred in January 2022. The shipowners have denied having anything to do with the damage." The norwegians seem to think it was a russian trawler and that trawler doesn't exclude the possiblity that russians did it.
- wkat4242 2y agoYeah the Russians also used "trawlers" to hide their recovery operations of KAL007 to hide their mass murder. Trawler does not mean unintentional or not state related.
- berkes 2y agoWow, the Russians shot down another plane. I never heard of KAL007 and thought MH17 was the first time this happened. Did any other nation states ever shoot down passenger airplanes?
- arprocter 2y agoFull list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airliner_shootdown_incidents https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airliner_shootdown_inc...
- yborg 2y agoUkraine International Airlines Flight 752 Siberia Airlines Flight 1812
- dboreham 2y agoFor completeness: the US navy shot down an Iranian airliner.
- astro-throw 2y agoThe "full list" posted earlier has that one on it.
- stanislavb 2y agoA trawler driven by the Russians?
- lijok 2y agoIf by "the russians" you mean russian defence, I can guarantee they would use something as inconspicuous as a trawler for the job rather than a combat vehicle
- trhway 2y agoFor the curious - google “tanker Minerva Julie Nord Stream”. While officially the tanker is Greek, it is tightly connected to Russia. I’d be looking for the key places in international waters and the likes needed to be cut simultaneously to say paralyze Europe banking and other infrastructure and would be checking whether there are Russian (and affiliated like that Minerva company) “trawlers” with a habit of hanging around those places.
- dagss 2y agoThis article details how certain russian trawlers criss-crossed a lot over another cable in Norway that broke some time before... ...and then the same trawlers were in the vicinity of this cable in Svalbard when another trawler criss-crossed over it until it broke (In Norwegian but hopefully Google Translate will do an OK job and mainly graphics) https://www.nrk.no/nordland/xl/russiske-tralere-krysset-kabler-i-vesteralen-og-svalbard-for-brudd-1.16007084 https://www.nrk.no/nordland/xl/russiske-tralere-krysset-kabl...
- holoduke 2y agoCriss crossing is quite normal behavior btw. I see it all the time here at the North Sea near England.
- glitchcrab 2y agoSure, but that also makes it an ideal cover story too.
- staplers 2y agoWhy would the russians care to have a cover story? They're in an open hot war with the west.
- austhrow743 2y agoThey weren't at the time.
- trompetenaccoun 2y agohttps://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/26/us/politics/russia-sabotage-campaign-ukraine.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/26/us/politics/russia-sabota... It's an open war with Ukraine only so far. And many are not aware of the wider geopolitics of it, they don't know their countries are at war with Russia. Open attacks would scare many of those people and make them more hostile towards the Russian side. As it stands many are more neutral and Putin even has a significant number of fans in the West.
- Rebelgecko 2y agoDoes the Russian part of Svalbard depend on the cable for Internet?