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We already have free primary and secondary education. Perhaps we should be asking how we can improve those institutions so people don't feel compelled to pursue

by II2II 2y ago

We already have free primary and secondary education. Perhaps we should be asking how we can improve those institutions so people don't feel compelled to pursue post-secondary studies for career tracks that could be addressed by those institutions. As for loans, they are a poor tool to improve accessibility to higher education and will agree that tuition (as well as many education related expenses) should be free for those who need it.

giantg2 2y ago
I agree that lower level institutions need adjustments. I went to a state school and was genuinely surprised when I discovered how many of my peers struggled with reading books (short non-fiction, long classics, etc) or writing any sort of paper (creative, research, etc). This seems like straight gambling to me - people who are barely literate taking out loans to in the hopes of landing a good job. The schools don't care, they just want their money.
Salgat 2y ago
Alternatively, if we provided the first 13 years free, why can't we provide 4 more years? That includes vocational education for welders/electricians/plumbers etc. Ideally we find a way to extend the community college model to 4 year degrees without them being corrupted into the same financial issues.
outside1234 2y ago
It is probably infeasible to cram all of this into secondary school. Hard to imagine being able to learn how to be a doctor or get to "useful" in electrical engineering It is also probably too hard to even do this for technical training that is almost required now for manufacturing jobs. To me this points to a tertiary level of education that is academic or technical/professional. I think that broadening this education out to "blue collar" job education (which is in fact these days highly skilled) will also increase political support for it.

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We already have free primary and secondary education. Perhaps we should be asking how we can improve those institutions so people don't feel compelled to pursue

by II2II 2y ago

giantg2 2y ago
I agree that lower level institutions need adjustments. I went to a state school and was genuinely surprised when I discovered how many of my peers struggled with reading books (short non-fiction, long classics, etc) or writing any sort of paper (creative, research, etc). This seems like straight gambling to me - people who are barely literate taking out loans to in the hopes of landing a good job. The schools don't care, they just want their money.
Salgat 2y ago
Alternatively, if we provided the first 13 years free, why can't we provide 4 more years? That includes vocational education for welders/electricians/plumbers etc. Ideally we find a way to extend the community college model to 4 year degrees without them being corrupted into the same financial issues.
outside1234 2y ago
It is probably infeasible to cram all of this into secondary school. Hard to imagine being able to learn how to be a doctor or get to "useful" in electrical engineering It is also probably too hard to even do this for technical training that is almost required now for manufacturing jobs. To me this points to a tertiary level of education that is academic or technical/professional. I think that broadening this education out to "blue collar" job education (which is in fact these days highly skilled) will also increase political support for it.