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Can any1 explain how HN algo works that this post, which at time of writing has 355p, 180comments while being posted 1 hour ago, isn't even on first page (ranke
by Xeamek 2y ago
Can any1 explain how HN algo works that this post, which at time of writing has 355p, 180comments while being posted 1 hour ago, isn't even on first page (ranked 31)???
- greyface- 2y agoFlags below the [flagged] threshold are invisible but still act to downweight the post.
- CamelCaseName 2y agoI've noticed that cloudflare complaint threads get flagged with surprising and unwarranted regularity.
- CtrlAltDelete51 2y agoAlmost, like … maybe one of the “protection” providers might have ways to suppress bad media? puts on tin foil hat and looks around nervously
- user_7832 2y agoA more charitable interpretation is that lots of techy HN'ers would rather defend CF against an unknown company, as some sort of tribal allegiance - the same way Apple has a huge cult following. Nonetheless the end result (flagging/downranking) is wrong - hell, I had to find this thread by going to my previous comments as I couldn't find it on the front 2 pages. If that isn't considered an abuse of systems (again, charitably speaking, unintentionally), I don't know what is.
- user_7832 2y agoIf someone disagrees with me or if I wrote something wrong I'll be happy to modify/edit my comment, but if you just downvote it really isn't clear
- kayodelycaon 2y agoI don’t think we need any conspiracy theories. I can easily see people getting tired of these kind of articles and the predictable torrent of outraged comments. They are valuable in keeping people aware of what’s going on. But only to a point and people will endlessly argue over where that point is and scream censorship and over ups by corporate interests. It gets rather grating after a while. Even more so when I suspect an article is omitting key facts to generate the attention they want. I haven’t flagged this article but I can easily see why people would.
- altairprime 2y agoThey’re boring, repetitive, and uninteresting with surprising regularity. It’s no surprise that many of them get flagged as a result.
- bluelightning2k 2y agoYeah I commented, refreshed and was shocked to see it disappear. It's ironic that we're (reasonably) asking for transparency about a post which is kind of about non-transparency.
- kayodelycaon 2y agoIt could have flags on it or maybe the flamewar detector got tripped. Moderator action seems unlikely because it’s still on the second page.
- brigadier132 2y agoMy guess for why this would be flagged: its a gambling website so people are unsympathetic. Definitely an abuse of the flagging system.
- petercooper 2y agoMaybe HN needs a flagging ring detector as well as its voting ring detector.
- altairprime 2y agoYou can always email the mods if you believe you’re witnessing an attack on either a single article and/or the site; they have many more tools to reveal concerted group assaults than we do.
- Vvector 2y agoI though flagged content showed a "[flagged]" in the title?
- ffpip 2y agoIt's progressive. 1 user flagging it doesn't mark it [flagged] but probably contributes to the ranking
- youngtaff 2y agoWonder how many of the people flagging it work for Cloudflare?
- gioo 2y agoif you check sites that track HN's rankings, it was ranked #1 for a while, then it suddenly dropped to #27 and continued declining https://hnrankings.info/40481808/ https://hnrankings.info/40481808/
- GeoAtreides 2y agoRemember, on HN there is such a thing as commenting too fast If a thread is too interesting, it gets penalized, can't have too many people commenting on an exciting topic
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- dang 2y agoIt set off the flamewar detector, got flagged by users, and got downweighted by a mod. The 'customer support of last resort' genre is common and not usually a good fit for HN [1]. If people feel this story is unusually relevant and interesting, I'm not sure I agree—long experience has taught us that one-sided articles like this nearly always leave out critical information—but I also don't mind yielding in an occasional specific case, so I've rolled back the penalties on this thread. The issue from our point of view is not about story X or company Y—it's a systemic one: the most popular genres of submission (especially the rage-inducing ones) get massively over-represented by default, so countervailing mechanisms are needed [2] if we're to have a space for the more intellectually curious stories that the site is meant for. [1] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20%22last%20resort%22%20support&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... [2] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20countervail&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
- Aissen 2y ago> The 'customer support of last resort' genre is common and not usually a good fit for HN They're already off Cloudflare, I would see this story more as "Dealing with tech company X is a business risk" cautionary tale.
- dang 2y agoThose are variations of the same thing from an HN systems point of view. The problem is that there are way too many of these stories to be interesting and/or to all be on HN's front page, but they tend to attract upvotes anyway. As I said above, we're happy to make exceptions for the occasional thread that is genuinely of interest, but sometimes the process for idenitfying those is "apply standard penalties -> generate howls of protest -> eventually find out about community pushback (e.g. in this case someone emailed hn@ycombinator.com) -> restore post".
- vertis 2y agoWhile I understand where you're coming from. Appreciate the immense amount of work you do. HN is pretty much the only way I'll see a post like this, and I like to keep track of behaviours like this. I use cloudflare for a lot of things, but it's a deal breaker not giving time to migrate off and causing downtime. I understand all the complexities here. Have worked closely with a Trust and Safety team before (real estate portal). But if that business was good enough to exist on the CF network for X years, it should be given time to move if it's no longer an agreeable business partner, that makes it a worthy story.