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This would all be solved if we treated P2P social media as ephemeral. That's a much more tractable problem. Imagine that you have 48 hours to converse on a thr

This would all be solved if we treated P2P social media as ephemeral. That's a much more tractable problem. Imagine that you have 48 hours to converse on a thread and grab its content, then it's gone. Third party software could archive if you wanted, but it wouldn't be an infrastructure requirement. It'd be so much easier to serve that peer nodes could easily be stood up on residential / commodity hardware and could reasonably be expected to handle serving large portions of the discussion graph.

amaccuish 2y ago
Sounds like Usenet!
dewey 2y ago
This would be a technical solution that doesn’t really map to what real people would expect from how a service works these days.
- graemep 2y ago
  No, but it would work fine for me if it was a month instead of 48 hours. My biggest problem with social media is deleting history I do not want retained.
  - brokenmachine 2y ago
    Check out Aether, sounds like exactly what you want. https://getaether.net/ https://getaether.net/ I have no affiliation but I thought the project sounded interesting.
Kwpolska 2y ago
So you want to introduce even more urgency and FOMO into social media just to save some compute costs?
numpad0 2y ago
Some of 2000s Japanese imageboards worked a bit like that. Replying to a thread bumps it to top of a board, last thread in list of threads is deleted when total reply count exceeds a limit, bumps stop working for older threads. Thread MHT archives can be captured and uploaded to fileshares if needed. Remaining time is controllable by internal parameters, but also self regulating by traffic because of bump system, to somewhere between just few hours to over a week. Discussion worth continuing can be done so by starting a new thread. Many from such communities later migrated to Twitter, despite the board still operating. Wrestling virtue signaling game while earning buzz is easier for those with that background, and I still come across accounts on timeline with clear influence from there. Massive upgrade from there to Twitter was forced individual consistency with account requirement - absolute anonymity leads to people without working theory of mind going gung-ho with total release from normally enforced multi-agent world modeling, and that's just malicious, like rejecting concept of criticism, possession, even nominatives.
Zak 2y ago
It probably wouldn't be hard to make a fork of Mastodon, Pleroma, etc... that deletes posts after a time limit and refuses to remote-fetch anything exceeding it. Of course, it wouldn't be able to impose that mandate on the rest of the network, and I don't think you'd convince many people to use it. I find Mastodon has a slower pace than corporate social media, and I like it that way. I want to browse posts when I have time for it. I have a crude patch running on my own server to backfill old posts from remote accounts when I scroll, which is very much the opposite idea. I hate this suggestion, and I hope nothing like it becomes popular enough that I feel I must interact with it.
- krapp 2y ago
  If you're running your own Mastodon instance you can set it to delete content after a certain amount of time. It's all but mandatory on small accounts, especially if you use relays.

amaccuish 2y ago

Sounds like Usenet!

dewey 2y ago

This would be a technical solution that doesn’t really map to what real people would expect from how a service works these days.

graemep 2y ago
No, but it would work fine for me if it was a month instead of 48 hours. My biggest problem with social media is deleting history I do not want retained.
- brokenmachine 2y ago
  Check out Aether, sounds like exactly what you want. https://getaether.net/ https://getaether.net/ I have no affiliation but I thought the project sounded interesting.

Kwpolska 2y ago

So you want to introduce even more urgency and FOMO into social media just to save some compute costs?

numpad0 2y ago

Some of 2000s Japanese imageboards worked a bit like that. Replying to a thread bumps it to top of a board, last thread in list of threads is deleted when total reply count exceeds a limit, bumps stop working for older threads. Thread MHT archives can be captured and uploaded to fileshares if needed. Remaining time is controllable by internal parameters, but also self regulating by traffic because of bump system, to somewhere between just few hours to over a week. Discussion worth continuing can be done so by starting a new thread. Many from such communities later migrated to Twitter, despite the board still operating. Wrestling virtue signaling game while earning buzz is easier for those with that background, and I still come across accounts on timeline with clear influence from there. Massive upgrade from there to Twitter was forced individual consistency with account requirement - absolute anonymity leads to people without working theory of mind going gung-ho with total release from normally enforced multi-agent world modeling, and that's just malicious, like rejecting concept of criticism, possession, even nominatives.

Zak 2y ago

It probably wouldn't be hard to make a fork of Mastodon, Pleroma, etc... that deletes posts after a time limit and refuses to remote-fetch anything exceeding it. Of course, it wouldn't be able to impose that mandate on the rest of the network, and I don't think you'd convince many people to use it. I find Mastodon has a slower pace than corporate social media, and I like it that way. I want to browse posts when I have time for it. I have a crude patch running on my own server to backfill old posts from remote accounts when I scroll, which is very much the opposite idea. I hate this suggestion, and I hope nothing like it becomes popular enough that I feel I must interact with it.

krapp 2y ago
If you're running your own Mastodon instance you can set it to delete content after a certain amount of time. It's all but mandatory on small accounts, especially if you use relays.