> I wouldn't really call that a rebut, I would call that missing the point. I don't think I did actually. Even if other countries are more collectivist than

> I wouldn't really call that a rebut, I would call that missing the point. I don't think I did actually. Even if other countries are more collectivist than the US, that doesn't mean that it doesn't affect me if something causes a spike in costs. Yes, the UK is more collectivist but I don't really know what that has to do with anything other than a potential misunderstanding of the US healthcare system; rising health insurance costs could still affect me, not even counting the fact that around 100+ million people in the US (around 1/3 of the entire population) are on medicare or medicaid, which is directly socialized [1] [2] and would directly affect all taxpayers. > your last two paragraphs ring very hollow Sure. It's all about risk management, a glorified expected value calculation. I don't really care if raw milk is legal or not, I just don't like it when people pretend that anything is all sunshine and fucking rainbows. If it has a risk of carrying an airborne illness, instead of pretending that it doesn't, we should acknowledge it and regulate it properly. [1] https://www.medicaid.gov/medicaid/program-information/medicaid-and-chip-enrollment-data/report-highlights/index.html https://www.medicaid.gov/medicaid/program-information/medica... [2] https://data.cms.gov/summary-statistics-on-beneficiary-enrollment/medicare-and-medicaid-reports/cms-program-statistics-medicare-total-enrollment https://data.cms.gov/summary-statistics-on-beneficiary-enrol...