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Thank you. A big factor that excarbates this issue is that the legal cannabis industryha greedily amped up THC potency by an order of magnitude. 5% was typical

Thank you. A big factor that excarbates this issue is that the legal cannabis industryha greedily amped up THC potency by an order of magnitude. 5% was typical in the 1990s. Today it's hard to find lower than 20%. And that's just plain flower, whereas many users vape instead which is even more potent and way easier to abuse by using all day at work and school secretly. Studies and anecdotes agree that higher potency means more symptoms of the sort you discuss and most importantly more addiction and habit forming. So the industry does this on purpose out of greed, and the states have no clue how to stop it. What do you think would happen if after the 1930s alcohol had been relegalized but suddenly only high proof vodka was available? Because that is the disaster that has happened with legal weed. We thought we were legalizing the weed we knew and instead they used it as a door to carpet bomb us with ultra high potency products. The cause of this fiasco is again, greed.

bdcravens 2y ago
Is there a way to dilute it?
- apwell23 2y ago
  yes. consume less of it.
- galdosdi 2y ago
  No, because the high potency stuff merely increases THC but does not increase and in fact often decreases other psychoactive compounds like CBD. It will not be the same.
  - namaria 2y ago
    Well you can also just take CBD on the side when using high THC strains...
- runlaszlorun 2y ago
  I had nothing scientific to go one, but have long felt that mixing 50/50 with CBD specific flower may be putting it a lot closer to the old school stuff. Looking at a couple of the studies linked to from the comments, seems like that broadly about right.
  - hughesjj 2y ago
    (Hypothetically, if I was a Marijuana user) I (would) exclusively use edibles for this exact reason. Dosage is labeled on individually wrapped pieces with the exact amount of thc/cbd/cbg/cbgb on the packaging
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akira2501 2y ago
> greedily amped up THC potency This had been going on for decades as a result of the prohibition on the substance and the criminal penalties associated with it. > 5% was typical in the 1990s What is your source for this assertion? > vape instead Is there a source for this as well? > which is even more potent The material used in vaporizers is typically from concentrated extracts. This is another product born out of the long standing legal status of the flower. The real question is, are users consuming _more_ when they vape as opposed to other methods, or is this simply a more efficient delivery mechanism for them? > So the industry does this on purpose out of greed You're ignoring edibles entirely. These products really didn't exist before legalization. A large segment of these products are much lower dose than the other specialty products and often have reduced THC in favor of higher CBD, CBG or CBN. > but suddenly only high proof vodka was available? Pure grain alcohol from stills has always been available. > they used it as a door to carpet bomb us with ultra high potency products. This single minded focus on potency of product and not on the impact of users is unusual. Why have you made this such a focus?
- canucker2016 2y ago
  inserting myself into this thread... from https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6312155/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6312155/: "Many people who have voted for legalization thought they were talking about the marijuana of the 1960s to 1980s when the THC content was less than 2%. ... Prior to the 1990s it was less than 2%. In the 1990s it grew to 4%, and between 1995 and 2015 there has been a 212% increase in THC content in the marijuana flower. In 2017 the most popular strains found in dispensaries in Colorado had a range of THC content from 17–28% such as found in the popular strain named “Girl Scout Cookie.”2 Sadly these plants producing high levels of THC are incapable of producing much CBD, the protective component of the plant so these strains have minimal CBD. For example the Girl Scout Cookie strain has only 0.09–0.2% CBD." from https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/not-your-grandmothers-marijuana-rising-thc-concentrations-in-cannabis-can-pose-devastating-health-risks/ https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/not-your-grandmothers...: "... In 1995, the average THC content in cannabis seized by the Drug Enforcement Administration was about 4%. By 2017, it had risen to 17% and continues to increase. Beyond the plant, a staggering array of other cannabis products with an even higher THC content like dabs, oils, and edibles are readily available—some as high as 90%."
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znpy 2y ago
> A big factor that excarbates this issue is that the legal cannabis industryha greedily amped up THC potency by an order of magnitude. 5% was typical in the 1990s. Today it's hard to find lower than 20%. Only tangentially related, but I’ve realised I should really think thrice before advocating for something because the way things become is pretty much never the way advocates had in their mind while advocating. I see this in many contexts but I won’t make other examples because it would get controversial…

bdcravens 2y ago

Is there a way to dilute it?

apwell23 2y ago
yes. consume less of it.
galdosdi 2y ago
No, because the high potency stuff merely increases THC but does not increase and in fact often decreases other psychoactive compounds like CBD. It will not be the same.
- namaria 2y ago
  Well you can also just take CBD on the side when using high THC strains...
runlaszlorun 2y ago
I had nothing scientific to go one, but have long felt that mixing 50/50 with CBD specific flower may be putting it a lot closer to the old school stuff. Looking at a couple of the studies linked to from the comments, seems like that broadly about right.
- hughesjj 2y ago
  (Hypothetically, if I was a Marijuana user) I (would) exclusively use edibles for this exact reason. Dosage is labeled on individually wrapped pieces with the exact amount of thc/cbd/cbg/cbgb on the packaging
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akira2501 2y ago

> greedily amped up THC potency This had been going on for decades as a result of the prohibition on the substance and the criminal penalties associated with it. > 5% was typical in the 1990s What is your source for this assertion? > vape instead Is there a source for this as well? > which is even more potent The material used in vaporizers is typically from concentrated extracts. This is another product born out of the long standing legal status of the flower. The real question is, are users consuming _more_ when they vape as opposed to other methods, or is this simply a more efficient delivery mechanism for them? > So the industry does this on purpose out of greed You're ignoring edibles entirely. These products really didn't exist before legalization. A large segment of these products are much lower dose than the other specialty products and often have reduced THC in favor of higher CBD, CBG or CBN. > but suddenly only high proof vodka was available? Pure grain alcohol from stills has always been available. > they used it as a door to carpet bomb us with ultra high potency products. This single minded focus on potency of product and not on the impact of users is unusual. Why have you made this such a focus?

canucker2016 2y ago
inserting myself into this thread... from https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6312155/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6312155/: "Many people who have voted for legalization thought they were talking about the marijuana of the 1960s to 1980s when the THC content was less than 2%. ... Prior to the 1990s it was less than 2%. In the 1990s it grew to 4%, and between 1995 and 2015 there has been a 212% increase in THC content in the marijuana flower. In 2017 the most popular strains found in dispensaries in Colorado had a range of THC content from 17–28% such as found in the popular strain named “Girl Scout Cookie.”2 Sadly these plants producing high levels of THC are incapable of producing much CBD, the protective component of the plant so these strains have minimal CBD. For example the Girl Scout Cookie strain has only 0.09–0.2% CBD." from https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/not-your-grandmothers-marijuana-rising-thc-concentrations-in-cannabis-can-pose-devastating-health-risks/ https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/not-your-grandmothers...: "... In 1995, the average THC content in cannabis seized by the Drug Enforcement Administration was about 4%. By 2017, it had risen to 17% and continues to increase. Beyond the plant, a staggering array of other cannabis products with an even higher THC content like dabs, oils, and edibles are readily available—some as high as 90%."

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znpy 2y ago

> A big factor that excarbates this issue is that the legal cannabis industryha greedily amped up THC potency by an order of magnitude. 5% was typical in the 1990s. Today it's hard to find lower than 20%. Only tangentially related, but I’ve realised I should really think thrice before advocating for something because the way things become is pretty much never the way advocates had in their mind while advocating. I see this in many contexts but I won’t make other examples because it would get controversial…