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I hope there’s more meat to the reason than a nebulous and unfalsifiable "rigorous scrutiny by Canada's national security and intelligence community". A countr

by mc32 2y ago

I hope there’s more meat to the reason than a nebulous and unfalsifiable "rigorous scrutiny by Canada's national security and intelligence community". A country can set whatever rules of engagement they want, but they ought to be transparent.

jncfhnb 2y ago
Beijing should not be involved in security tech. Seems sufficient to me
- mc32 2y ago
  They should spell out what they did or do.
  - bozhark 2y ago
    One can easily guess those metrics.
    - edgineer 2y ago
      I have two guesses. First is some financial tie to the Chinese military. Second is the Canadian government protecting its own offensive drone operations.
      - abirch 2y ago
        From another comment thread here: Bluevec was the subject of a civil suit by competitor Vancouver-based SkyCope Technologies, which alleged Bluevec stole trade secrets through former SkyCope employees and gained a competitive advantage. Last year, B.C. Supreme Court Justice Nitya Iyer ordered Jia, Bluevec and another Bluevec employee to pay $800,000 to SkyCope for misusing its confidential information and selling a direction-finding code to Chinese anti-drone company Beijing Lizheng Technology. https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/two-b-c-companies-ordered-to-cease-all-operations-over-national-security-concerns https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/two-b-c-companies-o...
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > should spell out what they did or do Why? It's an administrative action. If the companies want, they can disclose it or fight it in court, which would open the allegations to the public.
    - beefnugs 2y ago
      Because it completely destroys my faith and trust in the government. We cant follow the rules unless we know the fucking rules. How does it hurt security to say it out loud? "CCP stealing anti drone tech = illegal" Are we just suppose to start up companies, wait for a weird investment that ends up being from the wrong person and blammo company destroyed? Incase these idiots still don't understand why an entire convoy of random truckers can rise up to protest, let me say it in plain english: Since covid, this government has decided it can launch new/illegal "laws" immediately and without discussion at the drop of a hat. But it is completely fucktarded with them by not making any sense or doing it for normal everyday citizens: if chinese foreign interference is actually "bad" then why arent you clawing back all the real estate to sell cheaper to real citizens? Why just when it gets close to "national security" (which is really just smart use of radio equipment you dont even understand) is that you execute immediately without telling anyone why/how/what next/is it illegal to just use radios now?? please papa-gov use your words and stop hitting me...
      - FredPret 2y ago
        Vet your investors? You know exactly what the rules are. They’re just not telling the public which rules were broken, nor do they have to. The people involved undoubtedly know precisely what went wrong.
      - roughly 2y ago
        I’m gonna guess this one ain’t gonna be some kind of grey area.
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > How does it hurt security to say it out loud? It's not just security. When the IRS sends me a letter, I'd prefer that not be a matter of public record. > wait for a weird investment that ends up being from the wrong person and blammo company destroyed There is no non-military, non-law enforcement market for anti-drone technology. (Caveat: I don't know Canada's rules around shooting down objects in the airspace above your private property.) That makes it obviously a national-security manner. If you're in that space, you don't take money from your country's adversaries. For Canada that includes China, Russia and North Korea. If this is confusing to someone, and it's really not, they should not start a business in this space. > if chinese foreign interference is actually "bad" then why arent you clawing back all the real estate to sell cheaper to real citizens? You really don't see the difference between anti-aircraft systems and condos?
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JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> hope there’s more meat to the reason than a nebulous and unfalsifiable "...ministry spokeswoman said it cannot provide more details citing confidentiality provisions in the Investment Canada Act, the legislation that allows for a national security review of any foreign investment into the Canada, regardless of its value" [1]. Presumably the companies can disclose. But "Bluevec has not yet responded to a request for comment about the federal order of dissolution." [1] https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/two-b-c-companies-ordered-to-cease-all-operations-over-national-security-concerns https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/two-b-c-companies-o...
alistairSH 2y ago
30 seconds of digging indicates the drone company sold anti-drone tech to China. Seems like an obvious no-no for a Canadian company, no?
- Jerrrrry 2y ago
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  - narrator 2y ago
    Last time I checked, being a member of the communist party in China is not a racial classification. That the Chinese Communist party allows no immigration and brutally suppresses minorities in its borders might be. Speaking of which, did you know it is completely illegal to practice Judaism in China since it's not one of the five accepted religions?
    - Jerrrrry 2y ago
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    - janalsncm 2y ago
      I don’t think this is true. There are Jewish synagogues in Shanghai and Beijing. http://www.mavensearch.com/synagogues/synagogues-search.asp?C=369 http://www.mavensearch.com/synagogues/synagogues-search.asp?...
      - riscy 2y ago
        It is true [1], but it may not be strictly enforced. I find it fascinating that they are specific about which kinds of Christianity are accepted (Protestantism and Catholicism). [1] https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-report-on-international-religious-freedom/china/#:~:text=citizen's%20religious%20freedom.-,The%20government%20recognizes%20five%20official%20religions%3A%20Buddhism%2C%20Taoism%2C%20Islam,to%20register%20with%20the%20government https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-report-on-international-r....
jszymborski 2y ago
This gives a good clue as to what was going on: > Last year, B.C. Supreme Court Justice Nitya Iyer ordered Jia, Bluevec and another Bluevec employee to pay $800,000 to SkyCope for misusing its confidential information and selling a direction-finding code to Chinese anti-drone company Beijing Lizheng Technology. Sounds like Bluevec was taking direct investment from China, and relaying trade secrets of a Canadian company working in the defence industry to a foreign adversary.
- aragonite 2y ago
  > ... relaying trade secrets of a Canadian company working in the defence industry to a foreign adversary ... SkyCope itself is owned by a Chinese company, Shenzhen Shengkong. Bluevec is, if anything, the more "Canadian" of the two companies. > [188] Skycope submits that it and its parent companies have suffered detriment by being forced into extensive litigation in China and that Bluvec and Lizheng’s entry into the market has harmed Skycope and Shengkong’s market position in China. ... > [222] ... Similarly, there is no evidence that Skycope (including its parent, Shengkong) operates outside of Canada and China. https://www.canlii.org/en/bc/bcsc/doc/2023/2023bcsc1288/2023bcsc1288.html?autocompleteStr=Skycop&autocompletePos=2 https://www.canlii.org/en/bc/bcsc/doc/2023/2023bcsc1288/2023...
  - jszymborski 2y ago
    This is about selling the trade secrets to "Chinese anti-drone company Beijing Lizheng Technology".

by mc32 2y ago

jncfhnb 2y ago

Beijing should not be involved in security tech. Seems sufficient to me

mc32 2y ago
They should spell out what they did or do.
- bozhark 2y ago
  One can easily guess those metrics.
  - edgineer 2y ago
    I have two guesses. First is some financial tie to the Chinese military. Second is the Canadian government protecting its own offensive drone operations.
    - abirch 2y ago
      From another comment thread here: Bluevec was the subject of a civil suit by competitor Vancouver-based SkyCope Technologies, which alleged Bluevec stole trade secrets through former SkyCope employees and gained a competitive advantage. Last year, B.C. Supreme Court Justice Nitya Iyer ordered Jia, Bluevec and another Bluevec employee to pay $800,000 to SkyCope for misusing its confidential information and selling a direction-finding code to Chinese anti-drone company Beijing Lizheng Technology. https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/two-b-c-companies-ordered-to-cease-all-operations-over-national-security-concerns https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/two-b-c-companies-o...
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > should spell out what they did or do Why? It's an administrative action. If the companies want, they can disclose it or fight it in court, which would open the allegations to the public.
  - beefnugs 2y ago
    Because it completely destroys my faith and trust in the government. We cant follow the rules unless we know the fucking rules. How does it hurt security to say it out loud? "CCP stealing anti drone tech = illegal" Are we just suppose to start up companies, wait for a weird investment that ends up being from the wrong person and blammo company destroyed? Incase these idiots still don't understand why an entire convoy of random truckers can rise up to protest, let me say it in plain english: Since covid, this government has decided it can launch new/illegal "laws" immediately and without discussion at the drop of a hat. But it is completely fucktarded with them by not making any sense or doing it for normal everyday citizens: if chinese foreign interference is actually "bad" then why arent you clawing back all the real estate to sell cheaper to real citizens? Why just when it gets close to "national security" (which is really just smart use of radio equipment you dont even understand) is that you execute immediately without telling anyone why/how/what next/is it illegal to just use radios now?? please papa-gov use your words and stop hitting me...
    - FredPret 2y ago
      Vet your investors? You know exactly what the rules are. They’re just not telling the public which rules were broken, nor do they have to. The people involved undoubtedly know precisely what went wrong.
    - roughly 2y ago
      I’m gonna guess this one ain’t gonna be some kind of grey area.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > How does it hurt security to say it out loud? It's not just security. When the IRS sends me a letter, I'd prefer that not be a matter of public record. > wait for a weird investment that ends up being from the wrong person and blammo company destroyed There is no non-military, non-law enforcement market for anti-drone technology. (Caveat: I don't know Canada's rules around shooting down objects in the airspace above your private property.) That makes it obviously a national-security manner. If you're in that space, you don't take money from your country's adversaries. For Canada that includes China, Russia and North Korea. If this is confusing to someone, and it's really not, they should not start a business in this space. > if chinese foreign interference is actually "bad" then why arent you clawing back all the real estate to sell cheaper to real citizens? You really don't see the difference between anti-aircraft systems and condos?
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JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> hope there’s more meat to the reason than a nebulous and unfalsifiable "...ministry spokeswoman said it cannot provide more details citing confidentiality provisions in the Investment Canada Act, the legislation that allows for a national security review of any foreign investment into the Canada, regardless of its value" [1]. Presumably the companies can disclose. But "Bluevec has not yet responded to a request for comment about the federal order of dissolution." [1] https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/two-b-c-companies-ordered-to-cease-all-operations-over-national-security-concerns https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/two-b-c-companies-o...

alistairSH 2y ago

30 seconds of digging indicates the drone company sold anti-drone tech to China. Seems like an obvious no-no for a Canadian company, no?

Jerrrrry 2y ago
[flagged]
- narrator 2y ago
  Last time I checked, being a member of the communist party in China is not a racial classification. That the Chinese Communist party allows no immigration and brutally suppresses minorities in its borders might be. Speaking of which, did you know it is completely illegal to practice Judaism in China since it's not one of the five accepted religions?
  - Jerrrrry 2y ago
    [flagged]
  - janalsncm 2y ago
    I don’t think this is true. There are Jewish synagogues in Shanghai and Beijing. http://www.mavensearch.com/synagogues/synagogues-search.asp?C=369 http://www.mavensearch.com/synagogues/synagogues-search.asp?...
    - riscy 2y ago
      It is true [1], but it may not be strictly enforced. I find it fascinating that they are specific about which kinds of Christianity are accepted (Protestantism and Catholicism). [1] https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-report-on-international-religious-freedom/china/#:~:text=citizen's%20religious%20freedom.-,The%20government%20recognizes%20five%20official%20religions%3A%20Buddhism%2C%20Taoism%2C%20Islam,to%20register%20with%20the%20government https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-report-on-international-r....

jszymborski 2y ago

This gives a good clue as to what was going on: > Last year, B.C. Supreme Court Justice Nitya Iyer ordered Jia, Bluevec and another Bluevec employee to pay $800,000 to SkyCope for misusing its confidential information and selling a direction-finding code to Chinese anti-drone company Beijing Lizheng Technology. Sounds like Bluevec was taking direct investment from China, and relaying trade secrets of a Canadian company working in the defence industry to a foreign adversary.

aragonite 2y ago
> ... relaying trade secrets of a Canadian company working in the defence industry to a foreign adversary ... SkyCope itself is owned by a Chinese company, Shenzhen Shengkong. Bluevec is, if anything, the more "Canadian" of the two companies. > [188] Skycope submits that it and its parent companies have suffered detriment by being forced into extensive litigation in China and that Bluvec and Lizheng’s entry into the market has harmed Skycope and Shengkong’s market position in China. ... > [222] ... Similarly, there is no evidence that Skycope (including its parent, Shengkong) operates outside of Canada and China. https://www.canlii.org/en/bc/bcsc/doc/2023/2023bcsc1288/2023bcsc1288.html?autocompleteStr=Skycop&autocompletePos=2 https://www.canlii.org/en/bc/bcsc/doc/2023/2023bcsc1288/2023...
- jszymborski 2y ago
  This is about selling the trade secrets to "Chinese anti-drone company Beijing Lizheng Technology".