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How many cases per 100k? Where do people typically contract it?

tombert 2y ago
You moved the goalpost. You said "It's my understanding the sickness from milk isn't fatal." You didn't say "it's usually not fatal", in which case I might agree. You said it's "your understanding that it's not fatal", so I was pointing out that your understanding was wrong. I realize I'm being annoyingly pedantic on this, but I think it's a claim that needs to be addressed. It's important to know that you can get a disease from product X, whether it be from raw milk or lettuce or undercooked beef or whatever. Pretending that you cannot die from raw milk infections is dishonest.
- base698 2y ago
  To make it more clear, it's not typically fatal and many other foods cause higher levels of both sickness and fatalities. To get any number of fatalities you have to expand the timeline like 40 years. I'd consider that basically never. I've not seen anything claiming TB is a risk even in sources like the CDC and FDA. Maybe it is, but given the small numbers of illness I'd wager it's something localized or that effects people with serious underlying health complications.
  - tombert 2y ago
    > I've not seen anything claiming TB is a risk even in sources like the CDC and FDA You didn't look very hard then. This was after a ten second search [1]. From the article: > However, humans also can become infected, most commonly through consumption of unpasteurized milk products from infected cows. Also this from the NIH [2]: > Contamination of unpasteurized dairy products can occur by a variety of mechanisms: direct contact with bovine feces, transmission of the organisms from bovine skin/hide, bovine mastitis, primary bovine diseases (i.e., tuberculosis), and environmental contamination from insects, other animals, or humans (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 2017a). [1] https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5424a4.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5424a4.htm [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9262997/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9262997/

You moved the goalpost. You said "It's my understanding the sickness from milk isn't fatal." You didn't say "it's usually not fatal", in which case I might agree. You said it's "your understanding that it's not fatal", so I was pointing out that your understanding was wrong. I realize I'm being annoyingly pedantic on this, but I think it's a claim that needs to be addressed. It's important to know that you can get a disease from product X, whether it be from raw milk or lettuce or undercooked beef or whatever. Pretending that you cannot die from raw milk infections is dishonest.

base698 2y ago
To make it more clear, it's not typically fatal and many other foods cause higher levels of both sickness and fatalities. To get any number of fatalities you have to expand the timeline like 40 years. I'd consider that basically never. I've not seen anything claiming TB is a risk even in sources like the CDC and FDA. Maybe it is, but given the small numbers of illness I'd wager it's something localized or that effects people with serious underlying health complications.
- tombert 2y ago
  > I've not seen anything claiming TB is a risk even in sources like the CDC and FDA You didn't look very hard then. This was after a ten second search [1]. From the article: > However, humans also can become infected, most commonly through consumption of unpasteurized milk products from infected cows. Also this from the NIH [2]: > Contamination of unpasteurized dairy products can occur by a variety of mechanisms: direct contact with bovine feces, transmission of the organisms from bovine skin/hide, bovine mastitis, primary bovine diseases (i.e., tuberculosis), and environmental contamination from insects, other animals, or humans (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 2017a). [1] https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5424a4.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5424a4.htm [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9262997/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9262997/