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You really shouldn’t talk about things you don’t know or didn’t live through. The government was the one trying to crack down on free speech, banning rap music

You really shouldn’t talk about things you don’t know or didn’t live through. The government was the one trying to crack down on free speech, banning rap music and other things that gave alternative views. The government was the one that wasn’t allowing gays to marry. The government was the one sending troops to wars that no one cared about. The government was the one who created the Patriot act to strip people of their rights. The government was the one enriching Wall Street, protecting Big Pharma and letting police run around beating Rodney Kings all the time. The government was not to be trusted at all. This was what life was like for liberals in the 80s, 90s and even early 00s. The idea that the left was supporting government shows you know nothing about how life was like even 20 years ago. Rage Against the Machine famously protested the DNC because both parties suck. Nowadays if you don’t support the government or believe the CDC or FDA, or if you don’t want to support the proxy war in Ukraine, you’re somehow a MAGA alt right white nationalist. They have really done a number on the entire country.

krapp 2y ago
Don't act like you have me pegged, jackass. I lived through all of that. The vast majority of American leftists, at least prior to the web normalizing political radicalization by virtue of giving a greater platform to non-white and LGBT activism, were at best progressives who might listen to RATM, or might show up to a protest, but still supported mainstream political causes. If they voted, they voted for Democrats. They tended by and large to believe that government had a legitimate social function to fill, was necessary to further progressive causes, and that reform was possible within the system. In the weakest sense, they still tended to support the status quo, even if they opposed specific policies. Actual communists, anarchists or radicals were few and far between. The mainstream left spent decades posturing because they were never willing to go far enough to upset the apple cart of white privilege and capitalism. But more pertinent to the actual context of this thread and your thesis, most of those leftists also tended not to be anti-vaxx (at least it wasn't a belief explicitly tethered leftist identity.) Your claim that the left was always the anti-pharma group and supported vaccine policies because Trump somehow "broke them" and caused them to betray their ideals is just patently ridiculous. I don't know why you bother calling yourself a "traditional liberal" while pushing the sort of anti-leftist narrative that only exists within a neo-Trumpist view of leftism. Take your false flag nonsense somewhere else, please.

krapp 2y ago

Don't act like you have me pegged, jackass. I lived through all of that. The vast majority of American leftists, at least prior to the web normalizing political radicalization by virtue of giving a greater platform to non-white and LGBT activism, were at best progressives who might listen to RATM, or might show up to a protest, but still supported mainstream political causes. If they voted, they voted for Democrats. They tended by and large to believe that government had a legitimate social function to fill, was necessary to further progressive causes, and that reform was possible within the system. In the weakest sense, they still tended to support the status quo, even if they opposed specific policies. Actual communists, anarchists or radicals were few and far between. The mainstream left spent decades posturing because they were never willing to go far enough to upset the apple cart of white privilege and capitalism. But more pertinent to the actual context of this thread and your thesis, most of those leftists also tended not to be anti-vaxx (at least it wasn't a belief explicitly tethered leftist identity.) Your claim that the left was always the anti-pharma group and supported vaccine policies because Trump somehow "broke them" and caused them to betray their ideals is just patently ridiculous. I don't know why you bother calling yourself a "traditional liberal" while pushing the sort of anti-leftist narrative that only exists within a neo-Trumpist view of leftism. Take your false flag nonsense somewhere else, please.