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Isn't there also a real risk of catching tuberculosis via raw milk consumption as well? [1]. I know there are advocates of raw milk, and I have heard it tastes

Isn't there also a real risk of catching tuberculosis via raw milk consumption as well? [1]. I know there are advocates of raw milk, and I have heard it tastes better than the stuff you get at the grocery store, but it always seemed like the real risks of getting an infections outweighed the benefits. This stuff isn't meant for humans, it's meant for baby cows, I don't know why people think that you can just drink it untreated without any risks. [1] https://www.cfsph.iastate.edu/FastFacts/pdfs/bovine_tuberculosis_F.pdf https://www.cfsph.iastate.edu/FastFacts/pdfs/bovine_tubercul...

blindriver 2y ago
I’m not a raw milk advocate but saying “milk isn’t meant for humans” is ridiculous. If we can digest it, it’s for us. Is cow meat meant for us, or only for wolves and bears? What does it even mean for something to be “meant for us”? Are you saying that God didn’t mean for us to drink cow’s milk? Should we all live off women’s breast milk for our entire lives because that’s what is “meant for us”?
- bavent 2y ago
  A lot of people actually can’t digest it. Lactose intolerance.
  - janice1999 2y ago
    Humans were drinking animal milk long before Europeans developed the mutation to fully digest it. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/famine-and-diseases-likely-drove-europeans-ability-to-digest-milk-180980483/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/famine-and-dis...
  - blindriver 2y ago
    Not raw milk.
    - janice1999 2y ago
      Unpasturised milk does not contain (sufficient) lactase needed to break down lactose. You are welcome to cite any credible research that says otherwise. https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/raw-milk-claim-is-udderly-untrue/ https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/raw-milk-claim-is-udderly-u...
    - bavent 2y ago
      My digestive tract disagrees with you.
  - mgarfias 2y ago
    I’m lactose intolerant, yet I can drink raw milk.
- tombert 2y ago
  > If we can digest it, it’s for us. Is cow meat meant for us, or only for wolves and bears? What I meant was this, sorry if it wasn't clear: we don't eat cow meat untreated; we've been cooking it for a long time because it's substantially safer for us. Bears and wolves have evolved special digestive systems to handle the risks of bacteria and the like from raw meat. I don't see why we should assume that a product specifically evolved to help nourish calves should automatically be perfectly compatible with human digestion. I'm not making a religious argument. I'm not saying you should suck on your mom's boob for forever, and I am not 100% sure how you got that from my statement; humans have evolved to get nourishment from human milk when they're young, and as far as I can tell, have also evolved to ween off of it as they get older. I know that "meant for us" may imply some more intent than evolution provides; it was a shorthand and I apologize if it was confusing.
- nutrie 2y ago
  Well, if you live in the woods, eat raw meat, fight for food and life, I am sure your immunity is strong enough to deal with germs and viruses waiting for their host in raw milk (if you're really into it, try raw goat milk instead). I am no city person, spent my childhood on a farm and even my granny wouldn't drink it unpasteured, which you can easily do yourself by the way, that's how stupid these people are.
- moribvndvs 2y ago
  > Should we all live off women’s breast milk for our entire lives because that’s what is “meant for us”? I mean I dunno about the rest of you guys but I was able to graduate to solid food.
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linearrust 2y ago
> Isn't there also a real risk of catching tuberculosis via raw milk consumption as well? Just like there is a 'real risk' of catching parasites from eating plants. Or any foodborn illness from any food really. > but it always seemed like the real risks of getting an infections outweighed the benefits. Lots of things seem risky that to certain types of people. > This stuff isn't meant for humans Using that logic, humans can't consume any plants, fruits, meat, etc because they aren't 'meant for humans'. Do you only drink breast milk? And only your mother's breast milk since other female's breast milk is meant for other humans? > I don't know why people think that you can just drink it untreated without any risks. Me either. Don't know why people drive when it has risk. Or walk when at any moment, they can trip, hit their head on the sidewalk and die.
- tombert 2y ago
  > Just like there is a 'real risk' of catching parasites from eating plants. Or any foodborn illness from any food really. Most foodborn illnesses are not contagious to other people, and most are not nearly as bad as tuberculosis. > Using that logic, humans can't consume any plants, fruits, meat, etc because they aren't 'meant for humans'. I really don't think you read my comment in good faith. By "meant by", I really meant "evolved for", not any kind of god-given sense, and I do feel like that was pretty obvious. If we evolved to eat something untreated, then that's what I meant by "meant for us". I think you actually knew that. I'm not really an advocate of a lot of raw foods, I think treating them in the form of cooking kills a lot of pathogens that could be bad for us. > Do you only drink breast milk? Is this just a meme with the raw milk crowd? Why is it automatically assumed that I'm suggesting that adults consume any form of raw milk. That's not implied by anything I said. I don't think adults should be drinking untreated human breast milk or untreated cow milk. I personally don't really drink any milk, human or cow or otherwise. I do eat cheese from cow milk though, but it's always treated.
  - linearrust 2y ago
    > I really don't think you read my comment in good faith Because your comment wasn't written in good faith but driven by agenda. > By "meant by", I really meant "evolved for" What fruits, plants, animals, etc was 'evolved for' humans? > If we evolved to eat something untreated, then that's what I meant by "meant for us". So you just make up arbitrary definition of evolution? That's some quality comment written in 'good fath'. > Is this just a meme with the raw milk crowd? I don't drink raw milk. > I personally don't really drink any milk, human or cow or otherwise. So you are driven by agenda. Like I assumed. Thank you.

blindriver 2y ago

I’m not a raw milk advocate but saying “milk isn’t meant for humans” is ridiculous. If we can digest it, it’s for us. Is cow meat meant for us, or only for wolves and bears? What does it even mean for something to be “meant for us”? Are you saying that God didn’t mean for us to drink cow’s milk? Should we all live off women’s breast milk for our entire lives because that’s what is “meant for us”?

bavent 2y ago
A lot of people actually can’t digest it. Lactose intolerance.
- janice1999 2y ago
  Humans were drinking animal milk long before Europeans developed the mutation to fully digest it. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/famine-and-diseases-likely-drove-europeans-ability-to-digest-milk-180980483/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/famine-and-dis...
- blindriver 2y ago
  Not raw milk.
  - janice1999 2y ago
    Unpasturised milk does not contain (sufficient) lactase needed to break down lactose. You are welcome to cite any credible research that says otherwise. https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/raw-milk-claim-is-udderly-untrue/ https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/raw-milk-claim-is-udderly-u...
  - bavent 2y ago
    My digestive tract disagrees with you.
- mgarfias 2y ago
  I’m lactose intolerant, yet I can drink raw milk.
tombert 2y ago
> If we can digest it, it’s for us. Is cow meat meant for us, or only for wolves and bears? What I meant was this, sorry if it wasn't clear: we don't eat cow meat untreated; we've been cooking it for a long time because it's substantially safer for us. Bears and wolves have evolved special digestive systems to handle the risks of bacteria and the like from raw meat. I don't see why we should assume that a product specifically evolved to help nourish calves should automatically be perfectly compatible with human digestion. I'm not making a religious argument. I'm not saying you should suck on your mom's boob for forever, and I am not 100% sure how you got that from my statement; humans have evolved to get nourishment from human milk when they're young, and as far as I can tell, have also evolved to ween off of it as they get older. I know that "meant for us" may imply some more intent than evolution provides; it was a shorthand and I apologize if it was confusing.
nutrie 2y ago
Well, if you live in the woods, eat raw meat, fight for food and life, I am sure your immunity is strong enough to deal with germs and viruses waiting for their host in raw milk (if you're really into it, try raw goat milk instead). I am no city person, spent my childhood on a farm and even my granny wouldn't drink it unpasteured, which you can easily do yourself by the way, that's how stupid these people are.
moribvndvs 2y ago
> Should we all live off women’s breast milk for our entire lives because that’s what is “meant for us”? I mean I dunno about the rest of you guys but I was able to graduate to solid food.

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linearrust 2y ago

> Isn't there also a real risk of catching tuberculosis via raw milk consumption as well? Just like there is a 'real risk' of catching parasites from eating plants. Or any foodborn illness from any food really. > but it always seemed like the real risks of getting an infections outweighed the benefits. Lots of things seem risky that to certain types of people. > This stuff isn't meant for humans Using that logic, humans can't consume any plants, fruits, meat, etc because they aren't 'meant for humans'. Do you only drink breast milk? And only your mother's breast milk since other female's breast milk is meant for other humans? > I don't know why people think that you can just drink it untreated without any risks. Me either. Don't know why people drive when it has risk. Or walk when at any moment, they can trip, hit their head on the sidewalk and die.

tombert 2y ago
> Just like there is a 'real risk' of catching parasites from eating plants. Or any foodborn illness from any food really. Most foodborn illnesses are not contagious to other people, and most are not nearly as bad as tuberculosis. > Using that logic, humans can't consume any plants, fruits, meat, etc because they aren't 'meant for humans'. I really don't think you read my comment in good faith. By "meant by", I really meant "evolved for", not any kind of god-given sense, and I do feel like that was pretty obvious. If we evolved to eat something untreated, then that's what I meant by "meant for us". I think you actually knew that. I'm not really an advocate of a lot of raw foods, I think treating them in the form of cooking kills a lot of pathogens that could be bad for us. > Do you only drink breast milk? Is this just a meme with the raw milk crowd? Why is it automatically assumed that I'm suggesting that adults consume any form of raw milk. That's not implied by anything I said. I don't think adults should be drinking untreated human breast milk or untreated cow milk. I personally don't really drink any milk, human or cow or otherwise. I do eat cheese from cow milk though, but it's always treated.
- linearrust 2y ago
  > I really don't think you read my comment in good faith Because your comment wasn't written in good faith but driven by agenda. > By "meant by", I really meant "evolved for" What fruits, plants, animals, etc was 'evolved for' humans? > If we evolved to eat something untreated, then that's what I meant by "meant for us". So you just make up arbitrary definition of evolution? That's some quality comment written in 'good fath'. > Is this just a meme with the raw milk crowd? I don't drink raw milk. > I personally don't really drink any milk, human or cow or otherwise. So you are driven by agenda. Like I assumed. Thank you.