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A prostitute is not a companion, not a replacement for a partner. While the AI sexbot in question would simulate your ideal partner for you i.e. not just satis

by copx 2y ago

A prostitute is not a companion, not a replacement for a partner. While the AI sexbot in question would simulate your ideal partner for you i.e. not just satisfy your sexual desires but also other emotional needs normally satisfied by a partner.

alephnerd 2y ago
It's a lossy comparison but the whole point is a consumer is generating a parasocial relationship, partially physical but also partially emotional. There's a reason I explicitly called out Japan and Thailand, as host/hostess bars are normalized in society there, and are used for the emotional needs aspect. All you wrote is a weird screed in favor of eugenics.
- copx 2y ago
  My point was that it does not matter whether I (or anyone else) support eugenics or not. Once the ability is there certain regimes will use it, and the states who dont will not be able to compete. And do seriously doubt the Chinese will do it? This is not a moral / ideological question for me. Opposing genetic engineering is like opposing firearms with arguments like "We should fight man against man, sword in hand, a true test of strength, firearms are for weak cowards!" The firearm user will listen to that pontification and then just shoot you, like Indiana Jones in that movie. There simply won't be a choice. Genius level intellects like von Neumann or Einstein are such massive force multipliers that the US will look like Swaziland by comparison once China has figured out how to mass produce them.
  - alephnerd 2y ago
    > And do seriously doubt the Chinese will do it I do not, but there are A LOT of unsolved problems in the Life Sciences space before we can even attempt cloning. We can't even regenerate bone yet without a biological graft, let alone multicellular organisms. This is just techno-millenarianism like I mentioned in the other thread. Great thought experiments (and I am in a bit of a sci-fi binge rn) but not applicable when there are more tangible issues to deal with. > Genius level intellects like von Neumann or Einstein are such massive force multipliers The Ubermensch model of innovation is not how reality actually works. Einstein was able to do what he did because he was born in a middle class Swiss family. If he was born in rural Ukraine, Poland, or Belarus (like most Ashkenazi like him were at the time) he'd have died either from child mortality or a pogrom like in Odessa 1881. Who knows how many Einstein or von Neumanns have existed because they were not given the opportunity to reach their maximum potential. This cannot be resolved by eugenics anyhow.
    - copx 2y ago
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lupire 2y ago
I think you're slightly missing the point. Sexbots aren't ideal companions, they are psychologically crippling. Like eating a diet of only candy that looks like vegetables and protein, or injecting heroin. Humans aren't having children only because they are an accidental byproduct of sex. The lack abortion use, even where available, proves that.

by copx 2y ago

alephnerd 2y ago

It's a lossy comparison but the whole point is a consumer is generating a parasocial relationship, partially physical but also partially emotional. There's a reason I explicitly called out Japan and Thailand, as host/hostess bars are normalized in society there, and are used for the emotional needs aspect. All you wrote is a weird screed in favor of eugenics.

copx 2y ago
My point was that it does not matter whether I (or anyone else) support eugenics or not. Once the ability is there certain regimes will use it, and the states who dont will not be able to compete. And do seriously doubt the Chinese will do it? This is not a moral / ideological question for me. Opposing genetic engineering is like opposing firearms with arguments like "We should fight man against man, sword in hand, a true test of strength, firearms are for weak cowards!" The firearm user will listen to that pontification and then just shoot you, like Indiana Jones in that movie. There simply won't be a choice. Genius level intellects like von Neumann or Einstein are such massive force multipliers that the US will look like Swaziland by comparison once China has figured out how to mass produce them.
- alephnerd 2y ago
  > And do seriously doubt the Chinese will do it I do not, but there are A LOT of unsolved problems in the Life Sciences space before we can even attempt cloning. We can't even regenerate bone yet without a biological graft, let alone multicellular organisms. This is just techno-millenarianism like I mentioned in the other thread. Great thought experiments (and I am in a bit of a sci-fi binge rn) but not applicable when there are more tangible issues to deal with. > Genius level intellects like von Neumann or Einstein are such massive force multipliers The Ubermensch model of innovation is not how reality actually works. Einstein was able to do what he did because he was born in a middle class Swiss family. If he was born in rural Ukraine, Poland, or Belarus (like most Ashkenazi like him were at the time) he'd have died either from child mortality or a pogrom like in Odessa 1881. Who knows how many Einstein or von Neumanns have existed because they were not given the opportunity to reach their maximum potential. This cannot be resolved by eugenics anyhow.
  - copx 2y ago
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lupire 2y ago

I think you're slightly missing the point. Sexbots aren't ideal companions, they are psychologically crippling. Like eating a diet of only candy that looks like vegetables and protein, or injecting heroin. Humans aren't having children only because they are an accidental byproduct of sex. The lack abortion use, even where available, proves that.