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Well that was a strange read.

alephnerd 2y ago
The author has written a lot about how he had a porn addiction, so it makes sense. Mixing imagination and grammatically correct prompting can definetly be used for pornographic applications, but that's humanity in a nutshell. Hell, the Sherman was nicknamed the Betty Grable by horny American soldiers.
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- krapp 2y ago
  There is more to it than that. Most humans are hardwired to be social and sexual beings, to relate to other people on an emotional level. This drive is so strong that without AI we anthropomorphize inanimate objects and see faces where they don't exist. AI-driven software is going to be designed to exploit those evolutionary imperatives to a degree never before possible, to manipulate and gaslight people with the skill and simulated emotion of a pure sociopath.
  - alephnerd 2y ago
    > AI-driven software is going to be designed to exploit those evolutionary imperatives to a degree never before possible, to manipulate and gaslight people with the skill and simulated emotion of a pure sociopath We've always lived in a society like that, but I'll humor your argument. Instead of mind experiments (a big reason I've been opposed to qualitative methods in social sciences), can you give me a tangible data tested example to differentiate in the efficacy of LLMs and Generated Manipulation applied to sexual gratification versus those in person (eg. Sex Work, Pornography, etc), and show that there is a tangible hit on fertility? If we're to design an experiment around this, I'd probably try to test whether host/hostess bars, strip clubs, onlyfans, and pornography can have a tangible hit on fertility, but also cross-test to validate whether or not there are confounding variables like economic considerations. Fundamentally, gaining sexual gratification from a source is build on top of some form of parasocial relationship.
    - krapp 2y ago
      >Instead of mind experiments (a big reason I've been opposed to qualitative methods in social sciences), can you give me a tangible data tested example to differentiate in the efficacy of LLMs and Generated Manipulation applied to sexual gratification versus those in person (eg. Sex Work, Pornography, etc), and show that there is a tangible hit on fertility? No, because I'm extrapolating about the future, and don't have a time machine handy. I'm not talking about sexual gratification per se, but emotional gratification through language and emotion as a UX paradigm, of which sexual gratification is a subset. And we're not doing science, we're having a casual conversation on a web forum. And I don't see any of your tangible, tested data anyway. You're missing the point spectacularly.
      - alephnerd 2y ago
        This is my thesis: > Fundamentally, gaining sexual gratification from a source is build on top of some form of parasocial relationship How it's done doesn't matter, when that's the underlying core.
ljm 2y ago
The overall vibe I got was reading Jonny Truant’s passages in House of Leaves where he dives deeper into the work of the late Zampano and essentially forms a bond with him through that. Add in the occasional segue into fairly cringe sexual pieces for good measure. Just replace the frequent mentions of Gargano with ‘the Navidson house’ and imagine the rest of it as an excursion into the weird.
rsynnott 2y ago
I think he’s very much taking his own kink and assuming everyone shares it. My suspicion is that for most people, the whole idea is pretty unappealing.

The author has written a lot about how he had a porn addiction, so it makes sense. Mixing imagination and grammatically correct prompting can definetly be used for pornographic applications, but that's humanity in a nutshell. Hell, the Sherman was nicknamed the Betty Grable by horny American soldiers.

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krapp 2y ago
There is more to it than that. Most humans are hardwired to be social and sexual beings, to relate to other people on an emotional level. This drive is so strong that without AI we anthropomorphize inanimate objects and see faces where they don't exist. AI-driven software is going to be designed to exploit those evolutionary imperatives to a degree never before possible, to manipulate and gaslight people with the skill and simulated emotion of a pure sociopath.
- alephnerd 2y ago
  > AI-driven software is going to be designed to exploit those evolutionary imperatives to a degree never before possible, to manipulate and gaslight people with the skill and simulated emotion of a pure sociopath We've always lived in a society like that, but I'll humor your argument. Instead of mind experiments (a big reason I've been opposed to qualitative methods in social sciences), can you give me a tangible data tested example to differentiate in the efficacy of LLMs and Generated Manipulation applied to sexual gratification versus those in person (eg. Sex Work, Pornography, etc), and show that there is a tangible hit on fertility? If we're to design an experiment around this, I'd probably try to test whether host/hostess bars, strip clubs, onlyfans, and pornography can have a tangible hit on fertility, but also cross-test to validate whether or not there are confounding variables like economic considerations. Fundamentally, gaining sexual gratification from a source is build on top of some form of parasocial relationship.
  - krapp 2y ago
    >Instead of mind experiments (a big reason I've been opposed to qualitative methods in social sciences), can you give me a tangible data tested example to differentiate in the efficacy of LLMs and Generated Manipulation applied to sexual gratification versus those in person (eg. Sex Work, Pornography, etc), and show that there is a tangible hit on fertility? No, because I'm extrapolating about the future, and don't have a time machine handy. I'm not talking about sexual gratification per se, but emotional gratification through language and emotion as a UX paradigm, of which sexual gratification is a subset. And we're not doing science, we're having a casual conversation on a web forum. And I don't see any of your tangible, tested data anyway. You're missing the point spectacularly.
    - alephnerd 2y ago
      This is my thesis: > Fundamentally, gaining sexual gratification from a source is build on top of some form of parasocial relationship How it's done doesn't matter, when that's the underlying core.

ljm 2y ago

The overall vibe I got was reading Jonny Truant’s passages in House of Leaves where he dives deeper into the work of the late Zampano and essentially forms a bond with him through that. Add in the occasional segue into fairly cringe sexual pieces for good measure. Just replace the frequent mentions of Gargano with ‘the Navidson house’ and imagine the rest of it as an excursion into the weird.

rsynnott 2y ago

I think he’s very much taking his own kink and assuming everyone shares it. My suspicion is that for most people, the whole idea is pretty unappealing.