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How would they crush kagi

by Exuma 2y ago

ADeerAppeared 2y ago
Kagi relies on data from the search engine giants. Without that data, it's dead in the water. That's the dumbest part of it all; Kagi's not an entirely new search engine. It's Google's index but without the ad-tech juicing, and some clever use of a few other search indices to specialize results. (I.e. Google could unshit itself at any moment, it just doesn't want to.)
- Exuma 2y ago
  Hmm... really? They don't do their own crawling and indexing? How does one simply repurpose google's index... just technically or business speaking?
  - ADeerAppeared 2y ago
    Google has an API. One just pays to use that. The problem being the aforementioned conflict of interest. The moment you're a competitor to Google Search (or any of Google's other products), they can kill your API access and ruin you.
    - Exuma 2y ago
      Damn... that makes Kagi way less exciting. I thought they had some secret sauce. It's just a paid wrapper WTF
      - leotravis10 2y ago
        I fear that Kagi is going to suffer the same fate as Neeva did: "In a way, the brief flicker of Neeva’s existence tells everything you need to know about the last 20 years of search-engine supremacy. Building a search engine is hard. Building one better than Google is even harder. But if you want to beat Google, a better search engine is only the very beginning. And it only gets harder from there." [1] [1] https://www.theverge.com/23802382/search-engine-google-neeva-android https://www.theverge.com/23802382/search-engine-google-neeva... Not to mention Kagi's continued sustainability issues (28,071 users at the time of writing) [2] and their plans for their own AI products [3] [4] that would inevitably and eventually doom them. [2] https://kagi.com/stats https://kagi.com/stats [3] https://d-shoot.net/kagi.html https://d-shoot.net/kagi.html [4] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40011314 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40011314 Also, ADeerAppeared is right that government intervention aka a major breakup needs to happen for competition to thrive and I don't see it happening (although I hope I'm wrong).
        freediver 2y ago
        Thank you for your concerns, but Kagi is not just sustainable but also profitable. And if you want to know our plans, just check our own blog [1]. [1] https://blog.kagi.com/kagi-ai-search#philosophy https://blog.kagi.com/kagi-ai-search#philosophy
codalan 2y ago
Kagi also seems to be built atop GCP. Not a great place to be if you want to compete against Google in the future.

How would they crush kagi

by Exuma 2y ago

How would they crush kagi

Kagi relies on data from the search engine giants. Without that data, it's dead in the water. That's the dumbest part of it all; Kagi's not an entirely new search engine. It's Google's index but without the ad-tech juicing, and some clever use of a few other search indices to specialize results. (I.e. Google could unshit itself at any moment, it just doesn't want to.)

Exuma 2y ago
Hmm... really? They don't do their own crawling and indexing? How does one simply repurpose google's index... just technically or business speaking?
- ADeerAppeared 2y ago
  Google has an API. One just pays to use that. The problem being the aforementioned conflict of interest. The moment you're a competitor to Google Search (or any of Google's other products), they can kill your API access and ruin you.
  - Exuma 2y ago
    Damn... that makes Kagi way less exciting. I thought they had some secret sauce. It's just a paid wrapper WTF
    - leotravis10 2y ago
      I fear that Kagi is going to suffer the same fate as Neeva did: "In a way, the brief flicker of Neeva’s existence tells everything you need to know about the last 20 years of search-engine supremacy. Building a search engine is hard. Building one better than Google is even harder. But if you want to beat Google, a better search engine is only the very beginning. And it only gets harder from there." [1] [1] https://www.theverge.com/23802382/search-engine-google-neeva-android https://www.theverge.com/23802382/search-engine-google-neeva... Not to mention Kagi's continued sustainability issues (28,071 users at the time of writing) [2] and their plans for their own AI products [3] [4] that would inevitably and eventually doom them. [2] https://kagi.com/stats https://kagi.com/stats [3] https://d-shoot.net/kagi.html https://d-shoot.net/kagi.html [4] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40011314 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40011314 Also, ADeerAppeared is right that government intervention aka a major breakup needs to happen for competition to thrive and I don't see it happening (although I hope I'm wrong).
      - freediver 2y ago
        Thank you for your concerns, but Kagi is not just sustainable but also profitable. And if you want to know our plans, just check our own blog [1]. [1] https://blog.kagi.com/kagi-ai-search#philosophy https://blog.kagi.com/kagi-ai-search#philosophy

codalan 2y ago

Kagi also seems to be built atop GCP. Not a great place to be if you want to compete against Google in the future.