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It’s unfortunate that you’re being mindlessly downvoted, as this is a complex topic that is worth discussing. The actual reality, though, is that the future is

It’s unfortunate that you’re being mindlessly downvoted, as this is a complex topic that is worth discussing. The actual reality, though, is that the future is comprised of people that don’t engage with these kinds of reproductive-limiting technologies and worldviews. So in an ironic sense, it almost doesn’t matter - evolution will march on and doesn’t have much use for ideologies. It’s a sort of filter for the future, not an abstract evaluation of freedom and rights.

quonn 2y ago
The future could also be comprised of the few that do engage with these technologies having one child lording over the many with 10 kids. Not saying it will, but I want to point out the flaws in your logic.
- keiferski 2y ago
  There is actually evidence that rich families are having more children than middle class ones - which is what was the case historically. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-03-12/the-rich-are-starting-to-have-more-babies-than-the-poor-again https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-03-12/the-ri...
Dalewyn 2y ago
>mindlessly downvoted I downvoted him because what he said doesn't make sense. Namely, his argument that rich people can't afford costs of living. That is straight up hypocrisy. Otherwise I agree that richer people have less children. Money is a problem factor, but it's not because someone doesn't have enough of it.
- keiferski 2y ago
  I don’t see anything in the parent comment about money.
  - Dalewyn 2y ago
    Emphasis mine: >They are caused by economic issues. Wealthier populations typically have fewer offspring. The negative trends in places like Japan (and presumably Korea) are caused by the high cost of living, the lack of support for parents (lacking or overly expensive childcare etc). Money.
    - keiferski 2y ago
      That isn't the parent comment that I replied to. The one you're referring to is different, from a different author: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40473931 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40473931

quonn 2y ago

The future could also be comprised of the few that do engage with these technologies having one child lording over the many with 10 kids. Not saying it will, but I want to point out the flaws in your logic.

keiferski 2y ago
There is actually evidence that rich families are having more children than middle class ones - which is what was the case historically. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-03-12/the-rich-are-starting-to-have-more-babies-than-the-poor-again https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-03-12/the-ri...

Dalewyn 2y ago

>mindlessly downvoted I downvoted him because what he said doesn't make sense. Namely, his argument that rich people can't afford costs of living. That is straight up hypocrisy. Otherwise I agree that richer people have less children. Money is a problem factor, but it's not because someone doesn't have enough of it.

keiferski 2y ago
I don’t see anything in the parent comment about money.
- Dalewyn 2y ago
  Emphasis mine: >They are caused by economic issues. Wealthier populations typically have fewer offspring. The negative trends in places like Japan (and presumably Korea) are caused by the high cost of living, the lack of support for parents (lacking or overly expensive childcare etc). Money.
  - keiferski 2y ago
    That isn't the parent comment that I replied to. The one you're referring to is different, from a different author: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40473931 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40473931