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GDPR was created to legitimise trade of personal data. It was done in a two step approach. First there was a cookie law, to train people to give consent to anyt

GDPR was created to legitimise trade of personal data. It was done in a two step approach. First there was a cookie law, to train people to give consent to anything that pops up without reading, then GDPR where people give consent to data processing without even thinking about it. Then big corporations have a legal basis for trade of such data where before GDPR it was a grey area. Now they can say - users have consented for us to slice, dice and sell all the data related to them. GDPR was never about protection or to benefit citizens. One of the greatest deceptions.

iknowstuff 2y ago
Nice conspiracy lmao. As if users needed training to click away popups.
- varispeed 2y ago
  The point is, users are accustomed to clicking whatever without reading for it to go away as quickly as they can. They were trained on benign cookie banners and GDPR consent popups look very much the same but are more consequential. Most people don't even understand the difference. It's not a conspiracy. States never work for benefit of the general public, but for big corporations that "lobby" for the policies that suit them.
  - iknowstuff 2y ago
    I understood your point. I’m saying it’s silly and you’re a conspiracist. Clicking things away without reading is an innate behavior of every normie and people who don’t read well, even when they first start using computers.
dotancohen 2y ago
> First there was a cookie law, to train people to give consent to anything that pops up without reading People sitting in front of computers have been blindly clicking Yes to get work done for decades. I remember decades ago watching dumbfounded as people would click through Windows' orgasmic install dialogs (Yes, Yes, Yes, Finish) without ever reading or understanding what they were doing.
- varispeed 2y ago
  That's not the same. Most GDPR consent pop ups are exactly the same as "benign" cookie banners people are trained to mindlessly click to go away, actual giving consent for their data to be repackaged and sold.
rizz0 2y ago
This is not my experience with GDPR. The short-term response of the ad tech industry has been to not change their ways, but to address this issue with disclaimers. This is where the cookie pop-ups and thoughtless consent interaction patterns come from. GDPR was never about these pop-ups. It is about getting actual consent. "By clicking on the button below, you consent with us and our 381 partners to do whatever the hell they want" may be legally acceptable in the US, but in the EU it isn't. I know for a fact that lawyers and activists are currently challenging these patterns. Using disclaimers to address GDPR is the short-term solution that was shaped by a US-led ad tech industry to address an EU law. I'd be surprised if 5 years from now these pop-ups are still the norm.

iknowstuff 2y ago

Nice conspiracy lmao. As if users needed training to click away popups.

varispeed 2y ago
The point is, users are accustomed to clicking whatever without reading for it to go away as quickly as they can. They were trained on benign cookie banners and GDPR consent popups look very much the same but are more consequential. Most people don't even understand the difference. It's not a conspiracy. States never work for benefit of the general public, but for big corporations that "lobby" for the policies that suit them.
- iknowstuff 2y ago
  I understood your point. I’m saying it’s silly and you’re a conspiracist. Clicking things away without reading is an innate behavior of every normie and people who don’t read well, even when they first start using computers.

dotancohen 2y ago

> First there was a cookie law, to train people to give consent to anything that pops up without reading People sitting in front of computers have been blindly clicking Yes to get work done for decades. I remember decades ago watching dumbfounded as people would click through Windows' orgasmic install dialogs (Yes, Yes, Yes, Finish) without ever reading or understanding what they were doing.

varispeed 2y ago
That's not the same. Most GDPR consent pop ups are exactly the same as "benign" cookie banners people are trained to mindlessly click to go away, actual giving consent for their data to be repackaged and sold.

rizz0 2y ago

This is not my experience with GDPR. The short-term response of the ad tech industry has been to not change their ways, but to address this issue with disclaimers. This is where the cookie pop-ups and thoughtless consent interaction patterns come from. GDPR was never about these pop-ups. It is about getting actual consent. "By clicking on the button below, you consent with us and our 381 partners to do whatever the hell they want" may be legally acceptable in the US, but in the EU it isn't. I know for a fact that lawyers and activists are currently challenging these patterns. Using disclaimers to address GDPR is the short-term solution that was shaped by a US-led ad tech industry to address an EU law. I'd be surprised if 5 years from now these pop-ups are still the norm.