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I think Fleet aims to do this, its been in preview for 3 years now so I'm not sure what's left for them to actually release the thing. I'm looking forward to on

I think Fleet aims to do this, its been in preview for 3 years now so I'm not sure what's left for them to actually release the thing. I'm looking forward to only having one IDE installed and loading/unloading language plugins as required, instead of having multiple heavy IDEs. On top of that, the architecture of Fleet seems more amenable to remote development, like what VSCode has with their SSH plugin. In my experience the remote development feature in its current state has been a buggy mess.

saghm 2y ago
> I think Fleet aims to do this, its been in preview for 3 years now so I'm not sure what's left for them to actually release the thing I know this isn't _technically_ something that needs to happen before a stable release, but their Vim plugin is pretty abysmal and I'm fairly sure that I'm not the only one who that would be a deal-breaker for.
- hboon 2y ago
  I find their IdeaVim plugin basic, but it complements the IDE very well. Felt it’s best compare to others like Vs Code’s. What do you not like about it?
  - saghm 2y ago
    As far as I can tell, the Vim mode in Fleet isn't even able to save files yet, which I feel like is literally the first thing I learned to do in Vim. I'm not really sure what it's even supposed to be able to do yet because it's missing so much that it's not worth the time for me to invest in playing around with it.
    - hboon 2y ago
      Sorry, I didn't read carefully, not realizing you were referring to Fleet. I have not used it before. IdeaVim in the pre-fleet Jetbrains IDE work well (enough) for me. Tried with WebStorm, RubyMine, AppCode. I think I wouldn't use them as much if IdeaVim didn't exist.
      - saghm 2y ago
        Yep, I like the Vim plugin in their IDEs, and I'd be thrilled if Fleet provided that level of functionality for its plugin, but unfortunately it's not clear when that's going to happen, if ever.
- hwbunny 2y ago
  Who uses vim in 2024? :D
  - Faaak 2y ago
    I use vim bindings in vscode. You should try it!
  - OJFord 2y ago
    Tonnes of people, and what does the year have to do with it? Both vim and neovim are actively maintained, including new feature development.
  - JackMorgan 2y ago
    Anyone who wants one of the best ways to manipulate text.
    - slowmovintarget 2y ago
      Vim Motions are really good. But you don't need to use Neovim (the best fork) to get them. Doom Emacs with evil-mode is just one of many good examples of this.
  - saghm 2y ago
    We must run in different circles; I feel like at pretty much every job I've had, at least a quarter of the people on the team use Vim key bindings in their editor (even when it's not Vim), and it's not uncommon for it to be over half of the team.
yardstick 2y ago
> I'm looking forward to only having one IDE installed and loading/unloading language plugins as required, instead of having multiple heavy IDEs. Eclipse has been doing this for decades. But its eclipse so it’s not as polished as IntelliJ etc.
mekster 2y ago
What's the state of Fleet at this moment? I haven't been following it since I've tried a few years ago and looked it was still at its early stage then. Is JetBrains aiming to replace IntelliJ with it at some point or it would be an offering to complement or compete with the current offerings?

saghm 2y ago

> I think Fleet aims to do this, its been in preview for 3 years now so I'm not sure what's left for them to actually release the thing I know this isn't _technically_ something that needs to happen before a stable release, but their Vim plugin is pretty abysmal and I'm fairly sure that I'm not the only one who that would be a deal-breaker for.

hboon 2y ago
I find their IdeaVim plugin basic, but it complements the IDE very well. Felt it’s best compare to others like Vs Code’s. What do you not like about it?
- saghm 2y ago
  As far as I can tell, the Vim mode in Fleet isn't even able to save files yet, which I feel like is literally the first thing I learned to do in Vim. I'm not really sure what it's even supposed to be able to do yet because it's missing so much that it's not worth the time for me to invest in playing around with it.
  - hboon 2y ago
    Sorry, I didn't read carefully, not realizing you were referring to Fleet. I have not used it before. IdeaVim in the pre-fleet Jetbrains IDE work well (enough) for me. Tried with WebStorm, RubyMine, AppCode. I think I wouldn't use them as much if IdeaVim didn't exist.
    - saghm 2y ago
      Yep, I like the Vim plugin in their IDEs, and I'd be thrilled if Fleet provided that level of functionality for its plugin, but unfortunately it's not clear when that's going to happen, if ever.
hwbunny 2y ago
Who uses vim in 2024? :D
- Faaak 2y ago
  I use vim bindings in vscode. You should try it!
- OJFord 2y ago
  Tonnes of people, and what does the year have to do with it? Both vim and neovim are actively maintained, including new feature development.
- JackMorgan 2y ago
  Anyone who wants one of the best ways to manipulate text.
  - slowmovintarget 2y ago
    Vim Motions are really good. But you don't need to use Neovim (the best fork) to get them. Doom Emacs with evil-mode is just one of many good examples of this.
- saghm 2y ago
  We must run in different circles; I feel like at pretty much every job I've had, at least a quarter of the people on the team use Vim key bindings in their editor (even when it's not Vim), and it's not uncommon for it to be over half of the team.

yardstick 2y ago

> I'm looking forward to only having one IDE installed and loading/unloading language plugins as required, instead of having multiple heavy IDEs. Eclipse has been doing this for decades. But its eclipse so it’s not as polished as IntelliJ etc.

mekster 2y ago

What's the state of Fleet at this moment? I haven't been following it since I've tried a few years ago and looked it was still at its early stage then. Is JetBrains aiming to replace IntelliJ with it at some point or it would be an offering to complement or compete with the current offerings?