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https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/features-key.html https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/features-key.h... Is that better? edit: To expla

https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/features-key.html https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/features-key.h... Is that better? edit: To explain, I think how they expect you to experience the website is: http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/ http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/ (from www.google.com/chromeos) http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/features.html http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/features.html http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/features-key.html http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/features-key.ht... http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/features-devices.html http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/features-device... http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/chromebox.html http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/chromebox.html So, we're looking at a relatively deep link, which assumes the reader has been shown the main OS features and is looking for which specific product to buy. That said, I agree that this page doesn't do much except show pretty pictures and throw out a few tech specs, and won't sell the product on its own.

chmike 14y ago
> Intel Core Processor Why not specifying what processor and hardware is in the box ?
- jyap 14y ago
  It's marketing. The emphasis is on the simplicity of the product. That being said, it's a 1.9ghz Celeron CPU. That can give negative connotations since Celeron is Intel's cheap line of processors.
  - genwin 14y ago
    Good to know. I just got a quad-core desktop for US$377. The Chromebox w/ Celeron would have to print gold to compare to that.
    - VikingCoder 14y ago
      I'd be curious to compare your time from power off, to viewing a web page. They're very different machines, with very different goals. If you compare the components, then yes, it probably doesn't make any sense for you to get a Chromebox. If you look at the features they both have, then it might make more sense. If I were buying a machine for my grandmother, I'd buy the Chromebox over your $377 desktop, in a heartbeat.
    - no_more_death 14y ago
      I have a chromebook with 1.66 ghz Atom CPU. ChromeOS is lightning on it.
    - dangrossman 14y ago
      Most likely, your desktop would have to print gold to make up for the difference in your power bill compared to a ChromeBox too. My desktop needs a couple hundred watts; my Google TV box needs closer to 10. Running a full-size desktop where you don't need the power is equivalent to a voluntary subscription fee versus a one-time payment.
      - no-espam 14y ago
        Unless you have an overclocked, ultra graphics machine running distributed apps or playing games most of the day, a desktop does not cost that much more to run. Just because your power supply says 500W doesn't actually mean you are using that much. I did the calculations on my mac mini vs my i2500K win7, which is much faster, and I was surprised the difference was about $60 a year.
- Fabimaru 14y ago
  At least it informs that it's not an ARM processor, so it should be a magnitude faster (more like a PC than a phone).
- ticks 14y ago
  It's easier to switch parts if you don't specify them.
GFischer 14y ago
It's still not good enough for me, though it is a million times better. "Go fast". The set top Androids are also pretty fast. Also, as someone said, who reboots these days? (though it's a selling point for a media player replacement) "Stream HD movies without a hitch", ok, that's a selling point, though my cheap Android phone does well enough on "good enough" quality, so I'd expect the Android set top boxes or equivalents to do just as well. "Go straight online to creating, sharing and enjoying. Chrome devices come with built-in apps for editing photos, creating documents and presentations, and video chat, so you can get everyday tasks done right out of the box." Ok, though the Android boxes do that too. "Google+ Hangouts. You can also integrate multiple chat accounts with apps like imo or eBuddy. " Not a selling point for me (what is a Hangout?) Edit: I tried explaining myself. Why the downvote instead of a rebuttal? (I can accept those)
- sp332 14y ago
  Why are you comparing this to Android? Also, I've never heard of an Android set-top box.
  - GFischer 14y ago
    I'm comparing them because the form factor and use case look to be exactly the same (heck, the UI looks very similar too, both being made by Google). Examples of Android set top boxes (the first one has 4 GB): http://www.dealextreme.com/p/google-android-2-2-hdmi-tv-set-top-box-72086?item=2 http://www.dealextreme.com/p/google-android-2-2-hdmi-tv-set-... http://www.dealextreme.com/p/mele-1080p-android-2-3-internet-tv-set-top-box-w-wifi-optical-3-x-usb-hdmi-av-lan-sd-119913?item=4 http://www.dealextreme.com/p/mele-1080p-android-2-3-internet... They were featured recently by a local supermarket chain.
    - tomkarlo 14y ago
      What, because they're square? By that measure, an Apple TV, Mac Mini and Airport Extreme are all in the same category.
      - 14y ago
randomdrake 14y ago
edit: To explain, I think how they expect you to experience the website is: http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/ http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/ (from www.google.com/chromeos) When I search Google for chromebox the first result is the link that was submitted. I concur: it is a terrible landing page for a product. Consider the first page results for things like macbook, ipad, or mac mini and you can see where the failure lies. They do, after all, have control of search results, don't they?
- loceng 14y ago
  http://www.apple.com/ http://www.apple.com/ vs http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/ http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/ http://www.apple.com/iphone/ http://www.apple.com/iphone/ vs https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/chromebox.html https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/chromebox.html I'd say Google's doing a better job.
  - fratis 14y ago
    Not sure how that's obvious from your links. It'd be helpful if you gave some explanation.
    - loceng 14y ago
      It's nuanced UI-related. There's a lot of psychology involved to understand the holistic effects. You need to include things like someone's brand perception into deciding how effective a UI will be, such as trusted brands will let someone assume that what they are looking at is trustworthy - and therefore of enough value for them to care and look further into it / to get interested. Hope that helps?
  - shpoonj 14y ago
    I'd say you should compare Apple's and Google's sales reports.
    - AncientPC 14y ago
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- jonursenbach 14y ago
  Can an admin or somebody fix this comment? It's breaking the page layout.
  - tfb 14y ago
    Just a tip for those who aren't web devs: the page layout can be fixed by removing the comment/element via Chrome's inspector. Right-click on the comment, choose "Inspect Element", and delete it. And of course the same could be done with any modern browser's inspector.
    - tvon 14y ago
      FWIW, it's also useful to use something like "HN Collapse": https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/bbkfcamiocfccgmcjngdljolljhifdph https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/bbkfcamiocfccgmcjn...
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chmike 14y ago

> Intel Core Processor Why not specifying what processor and hardware is in the box ?

jyap 14y ago
It's marketing. The emphasis is on the simplicity of the product. That being said, it's a 1.9ghz Celeron CPU. That can give negative connotations since Celeron is Intel's cheap line of processors.
- genwin 14y ago
  Good to know. I just got a quad-core desktop for US$377. The Chromebox w/ Celeron would have to print gold to compare to that.
  - VikingCoder 14y ago
    I'd be curious to compare your time from power off, to viewing a web page. They're very different machines, with very different goals. If you compare the components, then yes, it probably doesn't make any sense for you to get a Chromebox. If you look at the features they both have, then it might make more sense. If I were buying a machine for my grandmother, I'd buy the Chromebox over your $377 desktop, in a heartbeat.
  - no_more_death 14y ago
    I have a chromebook with 1.66 ghz Atom CPU. ChromeOS is lightning on it.
  - dangrossman 14y ago
    Most likely, your desktop would have to print gold to make up for the difference in your power bill compared to a ChromeBox too. My desktop needs a couple hundred watts; my Google TV box needs closer to 10. Running a full-size desktop where you don't need the power is equivalent to a voluntary subscription fee versus a one-time payment.
    - no-espam 14y ago
      Unless you have an overclocked, ultra graphics machine running distributed apps or playing games most of the day, a desktop does not cost that much more to run. Just because your power supply says 500W doesn't actually mean you are using that much. I did the calculations on my mac mini vs my i2500K win7, which is much faster, and I was surprised the difference was about $60 a year.
Fabimaru 14y ago
At least it informs that it's not an ARM processor, so it should be a magnitude faster (more like a PC than a phone).
ticks 14y ago
It's easier to switch parts if you don't specify them.

GFischer 14y ago

It's still not good enough for me, though it is a million times better. "Go fast". The set top Androids are also pretty fast. Also, as someone said, who reboots these days? (though it's a selling point for a media player replacement) "Stream HD movies without a hitch", ok, that's a selling point, though my cheap Android phone does well enough on "good enough" quality, so I'd expect the Android set top boxes or equivalents to do just as well. "Go straight online to creating, sharing and enjoying. Chrome devices come with built-in apps for editing photos, creating documents and presentations, and video chat, so you can get everyday tasks done right out of the box." Ok, though the Android boxes do that too. "Google+ Hangouts. You can also integrate multiple chat accounts with apps like imo or eBuddy. " Not a selling point for me (what is a Hangout?) Edit: I tried explaining myself. Why the downvote instead of a rebuttal? (I can accept those)

sp332 14y ago
Why are you comparing this to Android? Also, I've never heard of an Android set-top box.
- GFischer 14y ago
  I'm comparing them because the form factor and use case look to be exactly the same (heck, the UI looks very similar too, both being made by Google). Examples of Android set top boxes (the first one has 4 GB): http://www.dealextreme.com/p/google-android-2-2-hdmi-tv-set-top-box-72086?item=2 http://www.dealextreme.com/p/google-android-2-2-hdmi-tv-set-... http://www.dealextreme.com/p/mele-1080p-android-2-3-internet-tv-set-top-box-w-wifi-optical-3-x-usb-hdmi-av-lan-sd-119913?item=4 http://www.dealextreme.com/p/mele-1080p-android-2-3-internet... They were featured recently by a local supermarket chain.
  - tomkarlo 14y ago
    What, because they're square? By that measure, an Apple TV, Mac Mini and Airport Extreme are all in the same category.
    - 14y ago

randomdrake 14y ago

edit: To explain, I think how they expect you to experience the website is: http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/ http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/ (from www.google.com/chromeos) When I search Google for chromebox the first result is the link that was submitted. I concur: it is a terrible landing page for a product. Consider the first page results for things like macbook, ipad, or mac mini and you can see where the failure lies. They do, after all, have control of search results, don't they?

loceng 14y ago
http://www.apple.com/ http://www.apple.com/ vs http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/ http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/ http://www.apple.com/iphone/ http://www.apple.com/iphone/ vs https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/chromebox.html https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/chromebox.html I'd say Google's doing a better job.
- fratis 14y ago
  Not sure how that's obvious from your links. It'd be helpful if you gave some explanation.
  - loceng 14y ago
    It's nuanced UI-related. There's a lot of psychology involved to understand the holistic effects. You need to include things like someone's brand perception into deciding how effective a UI will be, such as trusted brands will let someone assume that what they are looking at is trustworthy - and therefore of enough value for them to care and look further into it / to get interested. Hope that helps?
- shpoonj 14y ago
  I'd say you should compare Apple's and Google's sales reports.
  - AncientPC 14y ago

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jonursenbach 14y ago
Can an admin or somebody fix this comment? It's breaking the page layout.
- tfb 14y ago
  Just a tip for those who aren't web devs: the page layout can be fixed by removing the comment/element via Chrome's inspector. Right-click on the comment, choose "Inspect Element", and delete it. And of course the same could be done with any modern browser's inspector.
  - tvon 14y ago
    FWIW, it's also useful to use something like "HN Collapse": https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/bbkfcamiocfccgmcjngdljolljhifdph https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/bbkfcamiocfccgmcjn...

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