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> the target audience is developers who wish to embed text to SQL functionality into their own products Who is asking?

by greenavocado 2y ago

boredemployee 2y ago
you wouldnt believe the amount of developers that don't know how to write sql
- threeseed 2y ago
  Because ORM libraries were invented 30 years ago. There is no requirement to learn SQL for most of the applications built today.
  - sfn42 2y ago
    ORM doesn't really excuse you from understanding what's going on. In a way using ORM is more difficult because you have to understand both what sql you want and how to get the framework to generate it for you. Of course there's a lot of incompetent people who have no idea what they're doing, if it seems to work they ship it. That leads to a lot of nonsensical bullshit and unnecessarily slow systems.
  - lelanthran 2y ago
    > Because ORM libraries were invented 30 years ago. > There is no requirement to learn SQL for most of the applications built today. In the same way that because Linked List libraries were invented 50 years ago, there is no requirement to learn what linked lists are for most of the applications built today? You aren't getting past the requirement to learn relational databases "because ORM", and there is no material or course that teaches relational databases without teaching SQL. The unfortunate result of this is that people who boast about knowing $ORM while not knowing SQL have never learned relational databases either.
  - meekaaku 2y ago
    Most applications dont need to get data from a relational database. But for those apps that do, knowing SQL is pretty much a must have. The developer himself or someone on the team.
  - cerved 2y ago
    Depends how good you want the application to be
saigal 2y ago
hmm not sure I understand the question
- twojacobtwo 2y ago
  I think GP meant 'where or from whom have you seen/heard demand for this?'. Weirdly, I was just thinking about using an LLM to form sql queries for me, because I've forgotten much of what I knew. First time I had that thought and 5 minutes later, this fascinating idea rolls into my feed to pull me in further. I know I'm not exactly the target audience, but now I'm intrigued. I went through a coding/design bootcamp a while back and there was virtually no focus on SQL, so a lot of my classmates were hesitant to jump into relational dbs for projects. I could see it being used in a tool for new devs or those who've focused on a JS stack and need some help with SQL.
  - saigal 2y ago
    We’ve seen demand from all types of SaaS applications where the user might need data— software that helps customer support staff answer data questions, CRM, payroll software, just to name a few.
  - skydhash 2y ago
    > I could see it being used in a tool for new devs or those who've focused on a JS stack and need some help with SQL Or they could buy a book like Learning SQL. Or spend a weekend on Youtube.
    - saigal 2y ago
      allow me to clarify.. Dataherald isn't intended for developers because they don't know SQL, it's intended for developers who want to build text to SQL into their products
      - nicoburns 2y ago
        But who wants text-to-sql in products that they use? You wouldn't be able to trust the results. So what is it useful for? Of course you could learn to check the output. But then you could just learn SQL. I know dozens of not particularly technical people (certainly not software developers) who have learnt enough SQL to be useful over a couple of days.

> the target audience is developers who wish to embed text to SQL functionality into their own products Who is asking?

boredemployee 2y ago

you wouldnt believe the amount of developers that don't know how to write sql

threeseed 2y ago
Because ORM libraries were invented 30 years ago. There is no requirement to learn SQL for most of the applications built today.
- sfn42 2y ago
  ORM doesn't really excuse you from understanding what's going on. In a way using ORM is more difficult because you have to understand both what sql you want and how to get the framework to generate it for you. Of course there's a lot of incompetent people who have no idea what they're doing, if it seems to work they ship it. That leads to a lot of nonsensical bullshit and unnecessarily slow systems.
- lelanthran 2y ago
  > Because ORM libraries were invented 30 years ago. > There is no requirement to learn SQL for most of the applications built today. In the same way that because Linked List libraries were invented 50 years ago, there is no requirement to learn what linked lists are for most of the applications built today? You aren't getting past the requirement to learn relational databases "because ORM", and there is no material or course that teaches relational databases without teaching SQL. The unfortunate result of this is that people who boast about knowing $ORM while not knowing SQL have never learned relational databases either.
- meekaaku 2y ago
  Most applications dont need to get data from a relational database. But for those apps that do, knowing SQL is pretty much a must have. The developer himself or someone on the team.
- cerved 2y ago
  Depends how good you want the application to be

saigal 2y ago

hmm not sure I understand the question

twojacobtwo 2y ago
I think GP meant 'where or from whom have you seen/heard demand for this?'. Weirdly, I was just thinking about using an LLM to form sql queries for me, because I've forgotten much of what I knew. First time I had that thought and 5 minutes later, this fascinating idea rolls into my feed to pull me in further. I know I'm not exactly the target audience, but now I'm intrigued. I went through a coding/design bootcamp a while back and there was virtually no focus on SQL, so a lot of my classmates were hesitant to jump into relational dbs for projects. I could see it being used in a tool for new devs or those who've focused on a JS stack and need some help with SQL.
- saigal 2y ago
  We’ve seen demand from all types of SaaS applications where the user might need data— software that helps customer support staff answer data questions, CRM, payroll software, just to name a few.
- skydhash 2y ago
  > I could see it being used in a tool for new devs or those who've focused on a JS stack and need some help with SQL Or they could buy a book like Learning SQL. Or spend a weekend on Youtube.
  - saigal 2y ago
    allow me to clarify.. Dataherald isn't intended for developers because they don't know SQL, it's intended for developers who want to build text to SQL into their products
    - nicoburns 2y ago
      But who wants text-to-sql in products that they use? You wouldn't be able to trust the results. So what is it useful for? Of course you could learn to check the output. But then you could just learn SQL. I know dozens of not particularly technical people (certainly not software developers) who have learnt enough SQL to be useful over a couple of days.