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Consider the perspective of a person whose loved ones died because the US Government sabotaged their health. They might know more about how the world works tha

Consider the perspective of a person whose loved ones died because the US Government sabotaged their health. They might know more about how the world works than you imagine. “not a person worth convincing” — Not worth convincing them to protect their health? Clearly their health was considered expendable by the government when the experiments were carried out. The government should demonstrate that this fact has changed.

kube-system 2y ago
The US government is not some monolith. It's ~3 million different people, under different operational silos, none of whom worked there back when the project in the OP happened. The link between Pfizer/BioNTech and the Manhattan-Rochester Coalition is extremely weak. The severity of anyone's experience has nothing to do with any strength or weakness of that link.
- odyssey7 2y ago
  If there is no longer anything to hide then government officials should be open and candid about what happened to begin to restore trust. In theory they work to serve us.
  - kube-system 2y ago
    If someone believes that Pfizer/BioNTech and the Manhattan-Rochester Coalition have anything in common that is relevant to their trustworthiness, there's no amount of transparency that can convince them of anything.
    - odyssey7 2y ago
      Straw-man fallacy. Obviously you wouldn’t have to be Pfizer to poison someone’s vaccine dose as part of an experiment.
      - kube-system 2y ago
        Any human with free will who touches your vaccine could do something bad with it: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/steven-brandenburg-sentenced-three-years-prison-tampering-covid-19-vaccine-doses/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/steven-brandenburg-sentenced-th... Really, the only way you can be sure that nobody is out to get you is to disconnect from society entirely. Otherwise, you'll have to trust others a little bit. For me, I'm pretty sure that the Manhattan Project doesn't have much to do with the operations at Moderna.
        odyssey7 2y ago
        The government should tell us the truth about St. Louis.

kube-system 2y ago

The US government is not some monolith. It's ~3 million different people, under different operational silos, none of whom worked there back when the project in the OP happened. The link between Pfizer/BioNTech and the Manhattan-Rochester Coalition is extremely weak. The severity of anyone's experience has nothing to do with any strength or weakness of that link.

odyssey7 2y ago
If there is no longer anything to hide then government officials should be open and candid about what happened to begin to restore trust. In theory they work to serve us.
- kube-system 2y ago
  If someone believes that Pfizer/BioNTech and the Manhattan-Rochester Coalition have anything in common that is relevant to their trustworthiness, there's no amount of transparency that can convince them of anything.
  - odyssey7 2y ago
    Straw-man fallacy. Obviously you wouldn’t have to be Pfizer to poison someone’s vaccine dose as part of an experiment.
    - kube-system 2y ago
      Any human with free will who touches your vaccine could do something bad with it: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/steven-brandenburg-sentenced-three-years-prison-tampering-covid-19-vaccine-doses/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/steven-brandenburg-sentenced-th... Really, the only way you can be sure that nobody is out to get you is to disconnect from society entirely. Otherwise, you'll have to trust others a little bit. For me, I'm pretty sure that the Manhattan Project doesn't have much to do with the operations at Moderna.
      - odyssey7 2y ago
        The government should tell us the truth about St. Louis.