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Avoiding war requires both sides to reach some sort of mutual understanding. When the aggressor stations 200,000 troops at your border -- it isn't about "reach
by racional 2y ago
Avoiding war requires both sides to reach some sort of mutual understanding.
When the aggressor stations 200,000 troops at your border -- it isn't about "reaching a mutual understanding". The only "understanding" he is asking for by that point is that you lay back and let him have his way with you.
You're basically repeating standard propaganda lines here; I don't see this being a productive discussion.
- roenxi 2y ago> The only "understanding" he is asking for by that point is that you lay back and let him have his way with you. Ukraine seems to have lost about 25% of their population, 10% of their land and their electricity network is being shelled. Who knows how long it will take for their economy to recover. There is a lot of room among those statistics for debate about whether just folding immediately would have been better or worse. And Ukraine isn't really holding any cards here, any negotiations need to happen between there US and Russia. Getting good outcomes requires the US state department to get some actual statespersons involved instead of whoever has managed to push Europe to this pre-war mindset. > You're basically repeating standard propaganda lines If we're going to start slinging insults here, you're showing a dire lack of tactical empathy. You're not going to understand diplomacy unless you can get in to the headspace of people you don't agree with.
- racional 2y agoI wasn't seeing a great deal of tactical empathy in some of your own carefully chosen phrasing (e.g. "that bullshit"). So that, plus my sense that you were deeply mistaken about certain things, brought me to the view that the discussion had run its course.