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Have you considered migrating to another platform? For example Signal. They offer better security and there seems to be support options AFAICT: https://support.

by cpach 2y ago

Have you considered migrating to another platform? For example Signal. They offer better security and there seems to be support options AFAICT: https://support.signal.org/hc/en-us/articles/6746004451610-Contact-Us https://support.signal.org/hc/en-us/articles/6746004451610-C...

Two4 2y ago
As someone who quit WhatsApp a while back when there was a big scare about a change in ToS (and everyone was promising to jump ship to telegram/signal), I cannot overstate the importance of the network effect. For a platform with a userbase this size, the critical mass of users required to pull everyone over to a new platform is simply massive. I'm on both other platforms, and although I see many of my contacts there, they are simply not active. They prefer WhatsApp, and unless something cataclysmic happens, they'll remain there.
- cpach 2y ago
  I hear ya. I also use WhatsApp a lot. But if OP has issues that makes WhatsApp unusable, and the owner of the platform refuse to offer support, how to proceed…? Even if the network effect is strong, at that point I would seek out alternatives.
muzani 2y ago
I would be very happy if people migrated to another platform. Second best here is Telegram, but it's impossible to get everyone there. It's heavily used for government communication, scams, and affairs/prostitution.
- ThePowerOfFuet 2y ago
  Some who know far more about security than I suspect that Telegram is a honeypot. I am inclined to agree.
  - meiraleal 2y ago
    For Americans, yes. The same way whatsapp is a honeypot for everyone else.
    - muzani 2y ago
      There's speculation that WA is used for worse: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40062562 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40062562
- cpach 2y ago
  Friends don’t let friends use Telegram https://soatok.blog/2024/05/14/its-time-for-furries-to-stop-using-telegram/ https://soatok.blog/2024/05/14/its-time-for-furries-to-stop-...
  - cpach 2y ago
    PS. Perhaps I was a little to brusque in my comment. I could have phrased it like this: When using Telegram, be aware that it’s severe shortcomings when it comes to security.
  - muzani 2y ago
    Thanks, wasn't aware of this. Back when we were evaluating messaging tools, it was the only one that had E2E.
    - simfree 2y ago
      Telegram does not support group message encryption, and encryption is off by default for direct messages. At no point has Telegram been a leader in End to End encryption. If you like the thought of the United Arab Emirates having access to all your unencrypted messages though, it's a great option! https://www.reddit.com/r/PrivacyGuides/comments/wi3ln6/complete_noob_is_telegram_the_best_in_terms_of/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PrivacyGuides/comments/wi3ln6/compl...

by cpach 2y ago

Two4 2y ago

As someone who quit WhatsApp a while back when there was a big scare about a change in ToS (and everyone was promising to jump ship to telegram/signal), I cannot overstate the importance of the network effect. For a platform with a userbase this size, the critical mass of users required to pull everyone over to a new platform is simply massive. I'm on both other platforms, and although I see many of my contacts there, they are simply not active. They prefer WhatsApp, and unless something cataclysmic happens, they'll remain there.

cpach 2y ago
I hear ya. I also use WhatsApp a lot. But if OP has issues that makes WhatsApp unusable, and the owner of the platform refuse to offer support, how to proceed…? Even if the network effect is strong, at that point I would seek out alternatives.

muzani 2y ago

I would be very happy if people migrated to another platform. Second best here is Telegram, but it's impossible to get everyone there. It's heavily used for government communication, scams, and affairs/prostitution.

ThePowerOfFuet 2y ago
Some who know far more about security than I suspect that Telegram is a honeypot. I am inclined to agree.
- meiraleal 2y ago
  For Americans, yes. The same way whatsapp is a honeypot for everyone else.
  - muzani 2y ago
    There's speculation that WA is used for worse: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40062562 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40062562
cpach 2y ago
Friends don’t let friends use Telegram https://soatok.blog/2024/05/14/its-time-for-furries-to-stop-using-telegram/ https://soatok.blog/2024/05/14/its-time-for-furries-to-stop-...
- cpach 2y ago
  PS. Perhaps I was a little to brusque in my comment. I could have phrased it like this: When using Telegram, be aware that it’s severe shortcomings when it comes to security.
- muzani 2y ago
  Thanks, wasn't aware of this. Back when we were evaluating messaging tools, it was the only one that had E2E.
  - simfree 2y ago
    Telegram does not support group message encryption, and encryption is off by default for direct messages. At no point has Telegram been a leader in End to End encryption. If you like the thought of the United Arab Emirates having access to all your unencrypted messages though, it's a great option! https://www.reddit.com/r/PrivacyGuides/comments/wi3ln6/complete_noob_is_telegram_the_best_in_terms_of/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PrivacyGuides/comments/wi3ln6/compl...