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They arrived at this conclusion by surveying around 6000 people. And then made it look like 30% of Americans have this view so that your brain takes the view s

They arrived at this conclusion by surveying around 6000 people. And then made it look like 30% of Americans have this view so that your brain takes the view seriously. Investigating why they lie to themselves and others to spread this idea is the actual truth here.

gask 2y ago
all global indices use less than 1k samples.
- blue_light_man 2y ago
  I don't know how that is relevant. Many other surveys lying more doesn't make this any more true.
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piva00 2y ago
Do you know how to calculate sample sizes? For a population around 300m people you can survey some 7500 (if those are representative of the overall population, not just a homogeneous cohort of the population) and get a confidence level of 99% with 1.5% margin of error. I recommend studying a little of basic statistics.
- blue_light_man 2y ago
  Does this also balances out the fact that these are people who choose to respond to their survey and not random sample of all Americans? Are you saying the list of people who choose to respond to their survey is an accurate sampling of the entire American population? Also why not say we surveyed 6000 people in our list instead and 30% of them have this view? That is more true than saying 30% of Americans have this view which is quite a big jump. There is ofcourse some lying going on here. What are they trying to achieve by lying here is my question.
  - defrost 2y ago
    It's good to have questions. Here is some useful background reading: https://www.pewresearch.org/our-methods/ https://www.pewresearch.org/our-methods/ https://www.pewresearch.org/topic/methodological-research/survey-methods/international-survey-methods/ https://www.pewresearch.org/topic/methodological-research/su... https://www.pewresearch.org/topic/methodological-research/ https://www.pewresearch.org/topic/methodological-research/ There are literal books devoted to survey methodology.
  - Brybry 2y ago
    If you think they're lying and don't trust their methodology: there are other polls that show a similar trend in sentiment [1][2] I couldn't find any polls that showed the opposite. [1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/americans-are-losing-faith-in-college-education-wsj-norc-poll-finds-3a836ce1 https://www.wsj.com/articles/americans-are-losing-faith-in-c... https://archive.md/1SrWr https://archive.md/1SrWr [2] https://news.gallup.com/poll/508352/americans-confidence-higher-education-down-sharply.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/508352/americans-confidence-hig...
  - ohmyiv 2y ago
    It seems you might have a misunderstanding on how surveys and statistics work. You can learn more about surveys and statistics through the following links: Understanding and Evaluating Survey Research: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4601897/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4601897/ Fundamentals of Survey Research Methodology: https://www.mitre.org/sites/default/files/pdf/05_0638.pdf https://www.mitre.org/sites/default/files/pdf/05_0638.pdf What is survey sampling: Understanding methodology and sampling techniques: https://blog.surveyplanet.com/what-is-survey-sampling-understanding-methodology-and-sampling-techniques https://blog.surveyplanet.com/what-is-survey-sampling-unders... OXFAM: Understanding survey sampling: https://oxfamilibrary.openrepository.com/bitstream/handle/10546/615904/gd-understanding-survey-sampling-120716-en.pdf;jsessionid=EE3882A70A83EB7D74D21E095DF838C5?sequence=4 https://oxfamilibrary.openrepository.com/bitstream/handle/10... Some general knowledge on surveys: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survey_methodology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survey_methodology Statistics learning course on Kahn Academy: https://www.khanacademy.org/math/statistics-probability https://www.khanacademy.org/math/statistics-probability These links will hopefully help you understand surveys and statistics more. If you need more links, let me know. I can find a lot more courses on these topics if you need.

gask 2y ago

all global indices use less than 1k samples.

blue_light_man 2y ago
I don't know how that is relevant. Many other surveys lying more doesn't make this any more true.
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piva00 2y ago

Do you know how to calculate sample sizes? For a population around 300m people you can survey some 7500 (if those are representative of the overall population, not just a homogeneous cohort of the population) and get a confidence level of 99% with 1.5% margin of error. I recommend studying a little of basic statistics.

blue_light_man 2y ago
Does this also balances out the fact that these are people who choose to respond to their survey and not random sample of all Americans? Are you saying the list of people who choose to respond to their survey is an accurate sampling of the entire American population? Also why not say we surveyed 6000 people in our list instead and 30% of them have this view? That is more true than saying 30% of Americans have this view which is quite a big jump. There is ofcourse some lying going on here. What are they trying to achieve by lying here is my question.
- defrost 2y ago
  It's good to have questions. Here is some useful background reading: https://www.pewresearch.org/our-methods/ https://www.pewresearch.org/our-methods/ https://www.pewresearch.org/topic/methodological-research/survey-methods/international-survey-methods/ https://www.pewresearch.org/topic/methodological-research/su... https://www.pewresearch.org/topic/methodological-research/ https://www.pewresearch.org/topic/methodological-research/ There are literal books devoted to survey methodology.
- Brybry 2y ago
  If you think they're lying and don't trust their methodology: there are other polls that show a similar trend in sentiment [1][2] I couldn't find any polls that showed the opposite. [1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/americans-are-losing-faith-in-college-education-wsj-norc-poll-finds-3a836ce1 https://www.wsj.com/articles/americans-are-losing-faith-in-c... https://archive.md/1SrWr https://archive.md/1SrWr [2] https://news.gallup.com/poll/508352/americans-confidence-higher-education-down-sharply.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/508352/americans-confidence-hig...
- ohmyiv 2y ago
  It seems you might have a misunderstanding on how surveys and statistics work. You can learn more about surveys and statistics through the following links: Understanding and Evaluating Survey Research: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4601897/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4601897/ Fundamentals of Survey Research Methodology: https://www.mitre.org/sites/default/files/pdf/05_0638.pdf https://www.mitre.org/sites/default/files/pdf/05_0638.pdf What is survey sampling: Understanding methodology and sampling techniques: https://blog.surveyplanet.com/what-is-survey-sampling-understanding-methodology-and-sampling-techniques https://blog.surveyplanet.com/what-is-survey-sampling-unders... OXFAM: Understanding survey sampling: https://oxfamilibrary.openrepository.com/bitstream/handle/10546/615904/gd-understanding-survey-sampling-120716-en.pdf;jsessionid=EE3882A70A83EB7D74D21E095DF838C5?sequence=4 https://oxfamilibrary.openrepository.com/bitstream/handle/10... Some general knowledge on surveys: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survey_methodology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survey_methodology Statistics learning course on Kahn Academy: https://www.khanacademy.org/math/statistics-probability https://www.khanacademy.org/math/statistics-probability These links will hopefully help you understand surveys and statistics more. If you need more links, let me know. I can find a lot more courses on these topics if you need.