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For 30 years we had proportional scroll bars as a standard control. You could see how much of a document your current window is showing. You could click onto th
by Fischgericht 2y ago
For 30 years we had proportional scroll bars as a standard control. You could see how much of a document your current window is showing. You could click onto the bar to easily jump to a section relative to the document size. You could use the arrow buttons on the top and bottom of the scroll bar. You could tab to it and use the keyboard. If you were impaired in vision or motion, you could use your operating system settings to increase contrast or make them bigger.
And now it's 2024, and people on the web routinely cripple scroll bars to make them an UX nightmare.
The enshittification of UI/UX in browsers due to CSS allowing to completely ruin OS-provided standard controls that used to work just fine is a disgrace.
Please don't use this.
- spartanatreyu 2y agoHard disagree. OS provided standards controls became worse over time. (see: Apple's disappearing scrollbar and rounded checkboxes) We can't easily change those, but we can use CSS to at least improve upon those standard controls.
- Fischgericht 2y agoI'm using Windows 10 and Linux, and both provide working standard controls. Just because Apple is on a mission to ruin their standard controls does not mean those on other operating systems should artificially be forced to also get their UX ruined. I know HN looks dated. But the very textarea control I am writing in right now can be resized with a standard grab handle, and has working scrollbars and keyboard navigation.
- WorldMaker 2y agoWith Windows 11 Microsoft is trying to copy Apple's homework. The Windows 11 standard controls are still subtly better than Apple's, as Microsoft still has a lot of dedicated accessibility teams that have strong voices, but some of Microsoft's designers in the Windows 11 era are giving the impression that they want to be as bad as Apple, if not worse, if they were given the choice and didn't have accessibility teams to be accountable to.
- boxed 2y agoAt least you can turn on the visible scrollbars in macOS. I do.