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> That doesn't make sense, no? Most of these disks had their read-write tab blocked and so the floppy drive would just operate in read-only mode anyways. You a

> That doesn't make sense, no? Most of these disks had their read-write tab blocked and so the floppy drive would just operate in read-only mode anyways. You are right that that doesn't make sense so I may be remembering incorrectly. I'm nearly sure the disk physically had holes, on purpose, though. So maybe the copy-protection was simply trying a regular read, expecting it to fail... And if it didn't throw an error, then it'd know it was a copy.

Semaphor 2y ago
I remember downloading some kind of commercial digital forensic software that, came with cracking instructions: A PDF or image with measurements for where to drill a hole into your disk and at what size :D Never tried it, so I don’t know if it would have worked, but I’ll always remember it.
amiga386 2y ago
I can give you an example of someone claiming there were holes in the disk, Jon Burton, but they're a goddamn liar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qaq9vlfoGnA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qaq9vlfoGnA I have the original release of Leander. There are no holes in the disks. The code on the disk doesn't write anything besides hiscores. There is a protection routine exactly where he says there is, however what it does is check for a long track. It waits for the index pin, reads lots of data from the track, then looks to find two sync marks in the data it read, and they're at least a certain distance away from each other. No lasers, no holes, no writing. Standard long track protection. Here's the whole routine: https://pastebin.com/c1wnaJBP https://pastebin.com/c1wnaJBP Here's a page that more accurately describes floppy disk protection methods (and also explains what a long track is): https://diskpreservation.com/dp.php?pg=protection https://diskpreservation.com/dp.php?pg=protection
- rasz 2y ago
  >It waits for the index pin you mean index hole? >no holes https://s3.amazonaws.com/com.c64os.resources/weblog/howdoes1541work/index_hole.jpg https://s3.amazonaws.com/com.c64os.resources/weblog/howdoes1... so maybe no laser holes, but there IS a hole :-)
  - deaddodo 2y ago
    If you watch the original video, the person OP is talking about referred to an arbitrary hole that they added themselves/the disk producers added. The index hole is a normal feature of floppy disks that are "flippy" (usable on both sides). In addition, OP wasn't talking about the index hole, which was only used on a few platforms. They're referring to the index PIN, which is one of the signal wires that comes out of the floppy device. So you're doubly wrong, in this case.
    - rasz 2y ago
      How does the floppy infer when to signal on the index PIN?
      - deaddodo 2y ago
        The index pin gives you information on what sector is currently under the head, but after reading the code OP posted and the Amiga documentation, you're correct that this was specifically referencing the index hole in the CIA's flags. So my apologies, you were correct and I'm eating crow.

Semaphor 2y ago

I remember downloading some kind of commercial digital forensic software that, came with cracking instructions: A PDF or image with measurements for where to drill a hole into your disk and at what size :D Never tried it, so I don’t know if it would have worked, but I’ll always remember it.

amiga386 2y ago

I can give you an example of someone claiming there were holes in the disk, Jon Burton, but they're a goddamn liar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qaq9vlfoGnA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qaq9vlfoGnA I have the original release of Leander. There are no holes in the disks. The code on the disk doesn't write anything besides hiscores. There is a protection routine exactly where he says there is, however what it does is check for a long track. It waits for the index pin, reads lots of data from the track, then looks to find two sync marks in the data it read, and they're at least a certain distance away from each other. No lasers, no holes, no writing. Standard long track protection. Here's the whole routine: https://pastebin.com/c1wnaJBP https://pastebin.com/c1wnaJBP Here's a page that more accurately describes floppy disk protection methods (and also explains what a long track is): https://diskpreservation.com/dp.php?pg=protection https://diskpreservation.com/dp.php?pg=protection

rasz 2y ago
>It waits for the index pin you mean index hole? >no holes https://s3.amazonaws.com/com.c64os.resources/weblog/howdoes1541work/index_hole.jpg https://s3.amazonaws.com/com.c64os.resources/weblog/howdoes1... so maybe no laser holes, but there IS a hole :-)
- deaddodo 2y ago
  If you watch the original video, the person OP is talking about referred to an arbitrary hole that they added themselves/the disk producers added. The index hole is a normal feature of floppy disks that are "flippy" (usable on both sides). In addition, OP wasn't talking about the index hole, which was only used on a few platforms. They're referring to the index PIN, which is one of the signal wires that comes out of the floppy device. So you're doubly wrong, in this case.
  - rasz 2y ago
    How does the floppy infer when to signal on the index PIN?
    - deaddodo 2y ago
      The index pin gives you information on what sector is currently under the head, but after reading the code OP posted and the Amiga documentation, you're correct that this was specifically referencing the index hole in the CIA's flags. So my apologies, you were correct and I'm eating crow.