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As one of the beta testers, let me just say that I really like this device. It's very different than a kindle, kobo or reMarkable in that the refresh rate reall

As one of the beta testers, let me just say that I really like this device. It's very different than a kindle, kobo or reMarkable in that the refresh rate really makes a big difference. When I show this device to people, I show them how quickly zooming in on a PDF is. It's way faster and more responsive than any e-ink screen and it's way less addicting than the typical laptop, phone or tablet. I'm attempting to make this device my main driver over the next few months and while the ecosystem isn't exactly mature yet, most android apps just work out of the box and I've found myself doing a lot more reading, either through an e-reading app (Lithium), PDF reader or Instapaper. I have X, Primal, Telegram and many other apps installed, but I don't go to them nearly as much. The device really is a lot more human centered and it makes for a much more intentional device.

kevin_thibedeau 2y ago
> way less addicting than the typical laptop Xorg is still able to do 1bpp. Windows has a grayscale filter. Don't know if you can still get to render dithered B&W.
- p_l 2y ago
  a lot of applications (especially GTK3/4) will go buggy if they open at all on 1bpp display. Generally anything that does not report TrueColor RGBA8888 or RGBx8888 as first visual will trip them up.
card_zero 2y ago
Why did you say "less addicting"?
- sodality2 2y ago
  One common psychological trick addictive social media uses is high saturation color, as it causes our monkey brains to enjoy it slightly more. This is monotone and I’d assume that’s a relevant feature point
  - snypher 2y ago
    I often use ctrl-win-c shortcut for black and white mode in Windows, it's great to rest the eyes.
    - webprofusion 2y ago
      That's awesome, I had no idea that was a feature, using it now!
    - Theodores 2y ago
      On Ubuntu it is not quite like that. https://github.com/ionutbortis/gnome-bedtime-mode https://github.com/ionutbortis/gnome-bedtime-mode Yeah, you have to do some installing to get the feature you never knew you needed.
    - mattsnuts 2y ago
      Ah man about a year ago my windows went black and white and I didn’t know why and couldn’t figure it out, I must have pressed this. Had to reboot to fix it.
  - jsheard 2y ago
    Most devices let you enable a monochrome filter and optionally invert the image somewhere in the accessibility settings, for what it's worth. You don't need a special device just for that.
    - selcuka 2y ago
      > Most devices let you [...] But nobody does that, because we love addictions.
      - imp0cat 2y ago
        This. The screen should slowly desaturate color and eventually switch to b/w when the phone detects mindless scrolling automatically. ;)
- coldtea 2y ago
  For starters, it doesn't come with the whole "light show", it's black and white. "Minimalist" types often suggest turning your smartphone into B&W mode (usually an accessibility setting), precisely to reduce temptation to watch videos, social media, and such.
  - card_zero 2y ago
    Elsewhere in this thread I see comments that mention "low distraction", "calmer", and something about iPhones frying kids' brains. This all looks like snobbery to me, based on the association of monochrome paper with novels and writing and intellectual pursuits. In the 18th century we were scared that novels would fry the brains of young women, but times have changed and now it's iPhones that are sinful, and monochrome displays are virtuous, apparently. I think I might be going off the idea of e-ink, as a result. But my particular interest is nostalgia for the illustrators of the 80s. I would like to see a full-color portrait format 16-inch e-ink display or tablet. Preferably as addicting as possible, because outside of actual pharmacology that word just means "fun".
    - roughly 2y ago
      By way of an experiment - set your phone screen to black & white (in iOS, settings -> accessibility -> display -> color filters -> [on] -> grayscale, on android, settings -> accessibility -> color & motion -> color correction -> [on] -> grayscale), and leave it that way for a day of normal use. Then, turn it off, and note how you react to the change. Folks aren't calling it calmer because they're trying to look erudite, they're calling it calmer because modern applications put a lot of work into capturing your attention, and color is one of the tools they use (quite aggressively) to do so. Disabling color on the device isn't some way to look snobbish, it's a way to reduce the number of ways the device and applications are attempting to grab your attention.
      - card_zero 2y ago
        Just ignore them? Don't use manipulative apps? I suppose for some people this is an issue and they genuinely want a physical solution in order to stop habitually doing things they don't like, like Odysseus wanting to be tied to the mast to avoid the Sirens. I can predict how my behavior would change if I tried this: I'd be pissed off because you'd ruined my game of Heroes III (1999). And Brogue would be slightly less pretty. Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead would be much the same, and news sites and coding wouldn't change much. So my reaction would just be "this is gloomy", it's not like I need freeing from a hypnotic spell.
- jimmysong 2y ago
  For one, images and videos are a lot less visually stimulating. Everything is in black and white, and though those all render fine, they're just not as interesting as they would be in full color. So instead of doomscrolling Youtube shorts, I find myself doing more reading, particularly of books since the epub reading experience is fantastic and causes much less eye strain.
- petepete 2y ago
  It's an American term that means 'less addictive.'
Tor3 2y ago
I was playing at an outdoor concert recently - last year I suffered from the combination of paper sheet music + wind.. so this year I used an Android tablet in portrait mode where I could flicker to the next one relatively easily with a finger (no fancy bluetooth pedal control or anything). Me, wind: 1-0. This particular tablet was actually visible in full daylight when I turned the screen light to its maximum. After this I've been thinking how nice a Kindle-style display would be (not to mention battery), the more sunlight the better, kind of. A Kindle is too small, and well.. I know there are others (that Remarkable someone mentioned), but.. What about this Daylight one? Overkill maybe?
- KennyBlanken 2y ago
  Kobo makes an eight inch e-reader for $270. That's about two inches larger than even a fairly large e-ink reader. It has hardware page turn buttons, I think, but the screen can also be tapped. Or the Boox Note 3c, which has a 10" screen (don't go for the color screen, the contrast ratio is much worse), also has a front light, $400: https://shop.boox.com/products/noteair3 https://shop.boox.com/products/noteair3 with the added advantage of running Android 12, so you can install a sheetmusic specific app. Or there's this $400 transflexive display android tablet, B&W only (not even grayscale) and no backlight: https://goodereader.com/blog/reviews/unboxing-the-hisense-q5-rlcd-android-tablet https://goodereader.com/blog/reviews/unboxing-the-hisense-q5...
- t0bia_s 2y ago
  Onyx Boox Air 3 10.3’ is great for sheet music! I'm using it and enjoy getting away from ton of papers. Get non C version with better contrast ratio and longer battery life.
paholg 2y ago
It says you can install any Android app. So I can just like browse websites in Firefox? How is that experience?
- jimmysong 2y ago
  I'm typing on a Daylight computer on Firefox right now with the brightness turned to 0 so it's only reflecting light. It's very similar to the tablet experience for Hacker News, just with less color, so it's not as straining to the eye.
  - paholg 2y ago
    Awesome! I want!
gdevenyi 2y ago
Is there a good app for note taking like on remarkable?
- jimmysong 2y ago
  There's a stylus that comes with it and lots of note-taking apps. I particularly like the ability to take notes directly in PDFs, which for technical papers can be very helpful.
vaylian 2y ago
What is your experience with writing code on the device? Does the grayscale impact syntax highlighting?
- jimmysong 2y ago
  Yea, grayscale definitely impacts the syntax highlighting, as many of the colors end up pretty dark. It works, though, and I have coded a bit on it. My only criticism would be that the copy-pasting is a little clunky, at least with JuiceSSH. Maybe other apps would be better at it.
unshavedyak 2y ago
What's the experience like with using it as a Terminal coding app? I'm super interested in using this to SSH into a home machine and programming from this. How viable is that? Though even if the device works excellently for that, i'm not sure it would _feel_ good due to it not being a laptop. My wife's ipad pro for example is not nearly as comfy as my mac pro, due to the properly balanced weight of it all. Still, super tempting to try this.. i've wanted this for so long.
- jimmysong 2y ago
  I've got JuiceSSH set up and use the device as a thin client. Coding is a little different since you don't get the terminal colors that you normally use for syntax highlighting. Still, it's functional, and I can do it, mostly using a bluetooth keyboard to do so.
  - unshavedyak 2y ago
    Do you prop it up on your lap at all? If so how's it work for you? What do you use to achieve this?

kevin_thibedeau 2y ago

> way less addicting than the typical laptop Xorg is still able to do 1bpp. Windows has a grayscale filter. Don't know if you can still get to render dithered B&W.

p_l 2y ago
a lot of applications (especially GTK3/4) will go buggy if they open at all on 1bpp display. Generally anything that does not report TrueColor RGBA8888 or RGBx8888 as first visual will trip them up.

card_zero 2y ago

Why did you say "less addicting"?

sodality2 2y ago
One common psychological trick addictive social media uses is high saturation color, as it causes our monkey brains to enjoy it slightly more. This is monotone and I’d assume that’s a relevant feature point
- snypher 2y ago
  I often use ctrl-win-c shortcut for black and white mode in Windows, it's great to rest the eyes.
  - webprofusion 2y ago
    That's awesome, I had no idea that was a feature, using it now!
  - Theodores 2y ago
    On Ubuntu it is not quite like that. https://github.com/ionutbortis/gnome-bedtime-mode https://github.com/ionutbortis/gnome-bedtime-mode Yeah, you have to do some installing to get the feature you never knew you needed.
  - mattsnuts 2y ago
    Ah man about a year ago my windows went black and white and I didn’t know why and couldn’t figure it out, I must have pressed this. Had to reboot to fix it.
- jsheard 2y ago
  Most devices let you enable a monochrome filter and optionally invert the image somewhere in the accessibility settings, for what it's worth. You don't need a special device just for that.
  - selcuka 2y ago
    > Most devices let you [...] But nobody does that, because we love addictions.
    - imp0cat 2y ago
      This. The screen should slowly desaturate color and eventually switch to b/w when the phone detects mindless scrolling automatically. ;)
coldtea 2y ago
For starters, it doesn't come with the whole "light show", it's black and white. "Minimalist" types often suggest turning your smartphone into B&W mode (usually an accessibility setting), precisely to reduce temptation to watch videos, social media, and such.
- card_zero 2y ago
  Elsewhere in this thread I see comments that mention "low distraction", "calmer", and something about iPhones frying kids' brains. This all looks like snobbery to me, based on the association of monochrome paper with novels and writing and intellectual pursuits. In the 18th century we were scared that novels would fry the brains of young women, but times have changed and now it's iPhones that are sinful, and monochrome displays are virtuous, apparently. I think I might be going off the idea of e-ink, as a result. But my particular interest is nostalgia for the illustrators of the 80s. I would like to see a full-color portrait format 16-inch e-ink display or tablet. Preferably as addicting as possible, because outside of actual pharmacology that word just means "fun".
  - roughly 2y ago
    By way of an experiment - set your phone screen to black & white (in iOS, settings -> accessibility -> display -> color filters -> [on] -> grayscale, on android, settings -> accessibility -> color & motion -> color correction -> [on] -> grayscale), and leave it that way for a day of normal use. Then, turn it off, and note how you react to the change. Folks aren't calling it calmer because they're trying to look erudite, they're calling it calmer because modern applications put a lot of work into capturing your attention, and color is one of the tools they use (quite aggressively) to do so. Disabling color on the device isn't some way to look snobbish, it's a way to reduce the number of ways the device and applications are attempting to grab your attention.
    - card_zero 2y ago
      Just ignore them? Don't use manipulative apps? I suppose for some people this is an issue and they genuinely want a physical solution in order to stop habitually doing things they don't like, like Odysseus wanting to be tied to the mast to avoid the Sirens. I can predict how my behavior would change if I tried this: I'd be pissed off because you'd ruined my game of Heroes III (1999). And Brogue would be slightly less pretty. Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead would be much the same, and news sites and coding wouldn't change much. So my reaction would just be "this is gloomy", it's not like I need freeing from a hypnotic spell.
jimmysong 2y ago
For one, images and videos are a lot less visually stimulating. Everything is in black and white, and though those all render fine, they're just not as interesting as they would be in full color. So instead of doomscrolling Youtube shorts, I find myself doing more reading, particularly of books since the epub reading experience is fantastic and causes much less eye strain.
petepete 2y ago
It's an American term that means 'less addictive.'

Tor3 2y ago

I was playing at an outdoor concert recently - last year I suffered from the combination of paper sheet music + wind.. so this year I used an Android tablet in portrait mode where I could flicker to the next one relatively easily with a finger (no fancy bluetooth pedal control or anything). Me, wind: 1-0. This particular tablet was actually visible in full daylight when I turned the screen light to its maximum. After this I've been thinking how nice a Kindle-style display would be (not to mention battery), the more sunlight the better, kind of. A Kindle is too small, and well.. I know there are others (that Remarkable someone mentioned), but.. What about this Daylight one? Overkill maybe?

KennyBlanken 2y ago
Kobo makes an eight inch e-reader for $270. That's about two inches larger than even a fairly large e-ink reader. It has hardware page turn buttons, I think, but the screen can also be tapped. Or the Boox Note 3c, which has a 10" screen (don't go for the color screen, the contrast ratio is much worse), also has a front light, $400: https://shop.boox.com/products/noteair3 https://shop.boox.com/products/noteair3 with the added advantage of running Android 12, so you can install a sheetmusic specific app. Or there's this $400 transflexive display android tablet, B&W only (not even grayscale) and no backlight: https://goodereader.com/blog/reviews/unboxing-the-hisense-q5-rlcd-android-tablet https://goodereader.com/blog/reviews/unboxing-the-hisense-q5...
t0bia_s 2y ago
Onyx Boox Air 3 10.3’ is great for sheet music! I'm using it and enjoy getting away from ton of papers. Get non C version with better contrast ratio and longer battery life.

paholg 2y ago

It says you can install any Android app. So I can just like browse websites in Firefox? How is that experience?

jimmysong 2y ago
I'm typing on a Daylight computer on Firefox right now with the brightness turned to 0 so it's only reflecting light. It's very similar to the tablet experience for Hacker News, just with less color, so it's not as straining to the eye.
- paholg 2y ago
  Awesome! I want!

gdevenyi 2y ago

Is there a good app for note taking like on remarkable?

jimmysong 2y ago
There's a stylus that comes with it and lots of note-taking apps. I particularly like the ability to take notes directly in PDFs, which for technical papers can be very helpful.

vaylian 2y ago

What is your experience with writing code on the device? Does the grayscale impact syntax highlighting?

jimmysong 2y ago
Yea, grayscale definitely impacts the syntax highlighting, as many of the colors end up pretty dark. It works, though, and I have coded a bit on it. My only criticism would be that the copy-pasting is a little clunky, at least with JuiceSSH. Maybe other apps would be better at it.

unshavedyak 2y ago

What's the experience like with using it as a Terminal coding app? I'm super interested in using this to SSH into a home machine and programming from this. How viable is that? Though even if the device works excellently for that, i'm not sure it would _feel_ good due to it not being a laptop. My wife's ipad pro for example is not nearly as comfy as my mac pro, due to the properly balanced weight of it all. Still, super tempting to try this.. i've wanted this for so long.

jimmysong 2y ago
I've got JuiceSSH set up and use the device as a thin client. Coding is a little different since you don't get the terminal colors that you normally use for syntax highlighting. Still, it's functional, and I can do it, mostly using a bluetooth keyboard to do so.
- unshavedyak 2y ago
  Do you prop it up on your lap at all? If so how's it work for you? What do you use to achieve this?