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I am not worried. History likes to rhyme and I think China will do a switcheroo on Russia and align itself with the West for the purpose of dismantling Russia's

I am not worried. History likes to rhyme and I think China will do a switcheroo on Russia and align itself with the West for the purpose of dismantling Russia's military and industry, just like the Soviet Union switched sides from being an ally of Germany in 1939 to working with the Western Allies on breaking Germany's neck. The West will make some concessions, but they will be seen as worth the price of breaking Russia up.

ArnoVW 2y ago
Russia changed sides when Hitler invaded Russia. Not sure we can count on Putin making that mistake.
- surfingdino 2y ago
  All he has to do is fire one nuke and China will gladly listen to the US' suggestion that we should take these toys away from Russia.
  - dieortin 2y ago
    Russia is still the country with the highest amount of nuclear warheads on the planet. How would anyone “take them away”?
    - surfingdino 2y ago
      In exchange for food or being able to sell limited amounts of their natural resources in exchange for small amounts of hard currency. They are amazing at not being able to feed their population when they start a big war.
  - Teever 2y ago
    Nope, because then the US will be all in on Europe and Taiwan will be ripe for the picking.
CamperBob2 2y ago
Agreed. If you look back at the Cold War era, you'll lose count of the number of times China and Russia embraced each other with lofty rhetoric, each proclaiming to be the other's BFF, only to end up butting heads again after a few years.
- _DeadFred_ 2y ago
  In 1969 the Unites States strongly hinted that they would retaliate with nuclear weapons if the Soviet Union used pre-emptive nuclear weapons on China (which it was rumored they were considering). We risked nuclear war against ourselves to prevent nuclear attacks on China.
  - surfingdino 2y ago
    China may see the US as an enemy, or at least a competitor, but it would not be able to project power or be recognised as a global player if it was not for the massive US investments in the country. In the end, when push comes to shove, China would rather align itself with the US rather than Russia so the scenario illustrated by Budanov's cake showing Russian Federation broken up into smaller pieces may not be that unrealistic: https://x.com/eeldenden/status/1610689686271397922 https://x.com/eeldenden/status/1610689686271397922 The decision is in Putin's hands and if he plays stupid games, he will win all the stupid prizes.
    - _DeadFred_ 2y ago
      And the USA would rather be friends with China. We threatened nuclear war with Russia in order to protect China in 1969. We created special carvouts to help industrialize China. The USAs actions are not those of a country that wants to be adversaries with China. I friggen loved 2010's Shanghai and the people there (though I'm told it's nothing like that anymore).
csomar 2y ago
> Soviet Union switched sides from being an ally of Germany in 1939 to working with the Western Allies on breaking Germany's neck. What are you smoking? Germany is the one that attacked the USSR. I can hardly see how they'll remain anything but allies after that. Actually Germany didn't just attack, they prepared and executed the largest invasion in human history. > I think China will do a switcheroo on Russia China is not going to do a switcheroo on Russia. If it wanted to, it'd wait until Russia is exhausted/broken and invade/recover the lands it used to historically belong to them (+resources that come along). Instead, they want Russia to remain as an annoyance to the West. China is never aligning with the West. They won after WWII and the West tried to break into them in two wars (Korean and Vietnamese) to no avail. They'll fight till the end.
- throwaway211 2y ago
  The USSR was on non-war terms with Germany until 1941, it was even exporting stuff like rubber to Germany until then. Those Russian lands don't 'belong' to China any more than China 'belongs' to Mongolia or the Jin dynasty 'belonged' to... well itself and just got appropriated as people then like people today and look at borders imagining things were always like that when they werent remotely the same.
- surfingdino 2y ago
  > What are you smoking? Germany is the one that attacked the USSR. I can hardly see how they'll remain anything but allies after that. Actually Germany didn't just attack, they prepared and executed the largest invasion in human history. The Soviet Union helped Germany evade restrictions imposed on them after WWI. Specifically, they helped Germans develop mechanised forces, air forces, and gas warfare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kama_tank_school https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kama_tank_school https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipetsk_fighter-pilot_school https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipetsk_fighter-pilot_school https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomka_gas_test_site https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomka_gas_test_site Then they signed this pact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pac... dividing Poland (Soviet forced attacked Poland on 17 Sep 1939). The Soviets switched sides when Germans attacked them. Then the Germans lost, got divided, then were allowed to re-unite and ... ran straight to Moscow to sign deals that undermined security of Eastern Europe. Make no mistake, Russia and Germany fight and then can't wait to fall into each other's arms. > China is not going to do a switcheroo on Russia. If it wanted to, it'd wait until Russia is exhausted/broken and invade/recover the lands it used to historically belong to them (+resources that come along). Instead, they want Russia to remain as an annoyance to the West. They just told Putin to pound sand when he asked them to finance his Siberian gas pipeline during his recent visit to Bejing. They know Russia is weak.

ArnoVW 2y ago

Russia changed sides when Hitler invaded Russia. Not sure we can count on Putin making that mistake.

surfingdino 2y ago
All he has to do is fire one nuke and China will gladly listen to the US' suggestion that we should take these toys away from Russia.
- dieortin 2y ago
  Russia is still the country with the highest amount of nuclear warheads on the planet. How would anyone “take them away”?
  - surfingdino 2y ago
    In exchange for food or being able to sell limited amounts of their natural resources in exchange for small amounts of hard currency. They are amazing at not being able to feed their population when they start a big war.
- Teever 2y ago
  Nope, because then the US will be all in on Europe and Taiwan will be ripe for the picking.

CamperBob2 2y ago

Agreed. If you look back at the Cold War era, you'll lose count of the number of times China and Russia embraced each other with lofty rhetoric, each proclaiming to be the other's BFF, only to end up butting heads again after a few years.

_DeadFred_ 2y ago
In 1969 the Unites States strongly hinted that they would retaliate with nuclear weapons if the Soviet Union used pre-emptive nuclear weapons on China (which it was rumored they were considering). We risked nuclear war against ourselves to prevent nuclear attacks on China.
- surfingdino 2y ago
  China may see the US as an enemy, or at least a competitor, but it would not be able to project power or be recognised as a global player if it was not for the massive US investments in the country. In the end, when push comes to shove, China would rather align itself with the US rather than Russia so the scenario illustrated by Budanov's cake showing Russian Federation broken up into smaller pieces may not be that unrealistic: https://x.com/eeldenden/status/1610689686271397922 https://x.com/eeldenden/status/1610689686271397922 The decision is in Putin's hands and if he plays stupid games, he will win all the stupid prizes.
  - _DeadFred_ 2y ago
    And the USA would rather be friends with China. We threatened nuclear war with Russia in order to protect China in 1969. We created special carvouts to help industrialize China. The USAs actions are not those of a country that wants to be adversaries with China. I friggen loved 2010's Shanghai and the people there (though I'm told it's nothing like that anymore).

csomar 2y ago

> Soviet Union switched sides from being an ally of Germany in 1939 to working with the Western Allies on breaking Germany's neck. What are you smoking? Germany is the one that attacked the USSR. I can hardly see how they'll remain anything but allies after that. Actually Germany didn't just attack, they prepared and executed the largest invasion in human history. > I think China will do a switcheroo on Russia China is not going to do a switcheroo on Russia. If it wanted to, it'd wait until Russia is exhausted/broken and invade/recover the lands it used to historically belong to them (+resources that come along). Instead, they want Russia to remain as an annoyance to the West. China is never aligning with the West. They won after WWII and the West tried to break into them in two wars (Korean and Vietnamese) to no avail. They'll fight till the end.

throwaway211 2y ago
The USSR was on non-war terms with Germany until 1941, it was even exporting stuff like rubber to Germany until then. Those Russian lands don't 'belong' to China any more than China 'belongs' to Mongolia or the Jin dynasty 'belonged' to... well itself and just got appropriated as people then like people today and look at borders imagining things were always like that when they werent remotely the same.
surfingdino 2y ago
> What are you smoking? Germany is the one that attacked the USSR. I can hardly see how they'll remain anything but allies after that. Actually Germany didn't just attack, they prepared and executed the largest invasion in human history. The Soviet Union helped Germany evade restrictions imposed on them after WWI. Specifically, they helped Germans develop mechanised forces, air forces, and gas warfare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kama_tank_school https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kama_tank_school https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipetsk_fighter-pilot_school https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipetsk_fighter-pilot_school https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomka_gas_test_site https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomka_gas_test_site Then they signed this pact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pac... dividing Poland (Soviet forced attacked Poland on 17 Sep 1939). The Soviets switched sides when Germans attacked them. Then the Germans lost, got divided, then were allowed to re-unite and ... ran straight to Moscow to sign deals that undermined security of Eastern Europe. Make no mistake, Russia and Germany fight and then can't wait to fall into each other's arms. > China is not going to do a switcheroo on Russia. If it wanted to, it'd wait until Russia is exhausted/broken and invade/recover the lands it used to historically belong to them (+resources that come along). Instead, they want Russia to remain as an annoyance to the West. They just told Putin to pound sand when he asked them to finance his Siberian gas pipeline during his recent visit to Bejing. They know Russia is weak.