Eh, with the crows example you could think of it this way for a counter example. Listen to the drum intro to wipeout. Now play a measure of it with your hands b

Eh, with the crows example you could think of it this way for a counter example. Listen to the drum intro to wipeout. Now play a measure of it with your hands banging on your desk. You recreated the sound but how many times did you hit the desk? I find it very plausible that they aren't actually counting. This isn't a counter example trying to prove they're not, but they can certainly repeat or "know" things without doing arithmetic.