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I think you're right, but historically there have been problems. Frans de Waal has written about how in his field there was a lot of early egregious anthropomor
by wpietri 2y ago
I think you're right, but historically there have been problems. Frans de Waal has written about how in his field there was a lot of early egregious anthropomorphizing. As people realized how flawed that was, they swung around the other way, to refusing to consider analogous human behavior. But things like de Waal's work demonstrating moral sense in animals is hard to explain in any other way. [1]
Even so, it can be tricky. In Bernd Heinrich's excellent "Mind of the Raven" [2], he points to a story where a woman, lost in the wilderness, noticed a raven crying near her and spotted something like a mountain lion creeping up on her. In the news story she gave the raven credit for warning her and saving her life. But Heinrich points out that ravens have a demonstrated history of leading predators to prey, because that way they get the leftovers with much lower risk. So although the woman was correct that the raven understood her danger and was demonstrating advanced social cooperation, her anthropomorphic bias led her to perhaps be dangerously wrong about who the raven was trying to help.
So although I think shorthand like, "The octopus is playing" is fine for casual use, I think serious people have to always be challenging those tempting assumptions.
[1] e.g., this book https://www.amazon.com/Good-Natured-Origins-Humans-Animals/dp/0674356616 https://www.amazon.com/Good-Natured-Origins-Humans-Animals/d... or this TED talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meiU6TxysCg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meiU6TxysCg
[2] A stellar book, and I recommend it strongly to anybody fascinated by corvids or interested in decoding animal behavior more generally: https://www.harpercollins.com/products/mind-of-the-raven-bernd-heinrich?variant=32122736476194 https://www.harpercollins.com/products/mind-of-the-raven-ber...
- hifromwork 2y ago>story where a woman, lost in the wilderness, noticed a raven crying near her and spotted a mountain lion creeping up on her. She gave the raven credit for warning her and saving her life. But Heinrich points out that ravens have a demonstrated history of leading predators to prey. That's a hilarious (and scary) story. I made the same cognitive mistake when reading, i.e. assumed that either raven was helping her, or was crying for unrelated reason (because I suspected a twist). It completely didn't occur to me that the animals could have cooperated among themselves.
- spudlyo 2y ago> So although the woman was correct that the raven understood her danger and was demonstrating advanced social cooperation, her anthropomorphic bias led her to perhaps be dangerously wrong about who the raven was trying to help. This is such an excellent insight, thanks for sharing!
- genman 2y agoThere is also similar story about Komodo Dragon. Guy buys a big lizard, tries to communicate with it, teach tricks, all to no avail. Then one day the lizard bites him out of the blue. Guy is angry at the lizard, swears to give it back to the shop the next day. Then he notices the lizard is following him with it's head down. Guy warms up to the lizard "Finally you show remorse! Understood that biting me was a bad idea, huh?" After several days of that following he decides to call the vet about it. And the vet explains to him that the lizard is simply waiting for him to die from the bite.