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For electricity generation alone (which is also what TFA talks about) we could even have done it 30 years ago. In fact France did, so this is not pure speculati

For electricity generation alone (which is also what TFA talks about) we could even have done it 30 years ago. In fact France did, so this is not pure speculation, it's just a terrible missed opportunity.

TacticalCoder 2y ago
> In fact France did, so this is not pure speculation... France did what!? France's electricity mainly comes from nuclear, oil and gaz. Solar is nowhere sizeable compared to these three yet. Oil is fossil.
- sl-1 2y ago
  It decarbonized its electricity production by building a lot of nuclear (eg. left fossil fuels in the dust). Of course only partly, as the nuclear fleet still depends on fossil fuels, but still a great achievement.
- littlestymaar 2y ago
  > France's electricity mainly comes from nuclear, oil and gaz. No, nuclear, hydro and then a fraction of fossil (which is still among the lowest in the world as of today).
robocat 2y ago
France's nuclear industry is a key economic sector, which represents 6.7% of the job market (220 000 people) for 2 600 companies and a turnover of €50 billion per year A summary of how France paid for the building of its nuclear energy sector: https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/economichistory/2023/03/31/pricing-power-how-france-built-its-nuclear-industry/ https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/economichistory/2023/03/31/pricing-p... although decommissioning costs also matter. Quote from: https://www-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/Publications/PDF/CNPP-2021/countryprofiles/France/France.htm https://www-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/Publications/PDF/CNPP-2021/cou...
- fch42 2y ago
  What is interesting is that the article says other countries should use "France as blueprint". - to have a state-owned electricity generation monopolist ? - to use demand-based price increases to push down demand ? - to provide half the funding for generating plants from taxpayers' coffers? France's example in nuclear is, if you like to phrase it like that, one of "socialistic infrastructure policies that have proven to work well". Quoth Lenin, "Communism is the Soviet state plus electrification of the country", https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GOELRO https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GOELRO - I would like to see a comparative essay on France's nuclear push of 60s/70s/80s and the USSR's 20s/30s/40s. And/or, in fact, later; the number two nuclear power generating country in Europe behind France is, after all, Ukraine.

TacticalCoder 2y ago

> In fact France did, so this is not pure speculation... France did what!? France's electricity mainly comes from nuclear, oil and gaz. Solar is nowhere sizeable compared to these three yet. Oil is fossil.

sl-1 2y ago
It decarbonized its electricity production by building a lot of nuclear (eg. left fossil fuels in the dust). Of course only partly, as the nuclear fleet still depends on fossil fuels, but still a great achievement.
littlestymaar 2y ago
> France's electricity mainly comes from nuclear, oil and gaz. No, nuclear, hydro and then a fraction of fossil (which is still among the lowest in the world as of today).

robocat 2y ago

France's nuclear industry is a key economic sector, which represents 6.7% of the job market (220 000 people) for 2 600 companies and a turnover of €50 billion per year A summary of how France paid for the building of its nuclear energy sector: https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/economichistory/2023/03/31/pricing-power-how-france-built-its-nuclear-industry/ https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/economichistory/2023/03/31/pricing-p... although decommissioning costs also matter. Quote from: https://www-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/Publications/PDF/CNPP-2021/countryprofiles/France/France.htm https://www-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/Publications/PDF/CNPP-2021/cou...

fch42 2y ago
What is interesting is that the article says other countries should use "France as blueprint". - to have a state-owned electricity generation monopolist ? - to use demand-based price increases to push down demand ? - to provide half the funding for generating plants from taxpayers' coffers? France's example in nuclear is, if you like to phrase it like that, one of "socialistic infrastructure policies that have proven to work well". Quoth Lenin, "Communism is the Soviet state plus electrification of the country", https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GOELRO https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GOELRO - I would like to see a comparative essay on France's nuclear push of 60s/70s/80s and the USSR's 20s/30s/40s. And/or, in fact, later; the number two nuclear power generating country in Europe behind France is, after all, Ukraine.