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Those words were definitely written through gritted teeth, but it seems to me he's being very literal. The second point in particular is exactly what the anti-A

by irskep 2y ago

Those words were definitely written through gritted teeth, but it seems to me he's being very literal. The second point in particular is exactly what the anti-AI-feature people seem to be asking for (and they are reasonable for asking for it).

rottencupcakes 2y ago
AI is acting as a catalyst here to get people into flame war mode. The issue here is the existence of a terminal feature that can send your commands to a 3rd party server. It could have no AI whatsoever; it is reasonable to not want this in an app that you might paste secret keys into. Do the people who don’t like this feature have the same standards for ever app they use? Probably not, they’re probably being a little hyperbolic, but it sounds like a reasonable request.
- glhaynes 2y ago
  The issue here is the existence of a terminal feature that can send your commands to a 3rd party server. With not many more characters than are needed for an API key, I could write a script in the very terminal provided by iTerm2 that sends all my commands to a 3rd party server!
- AlexandrB 2y ago
  > The issue here is the existence of a terminal feature that can send your commands to a 3rd party server. That's called SSH.
notatoad 2y ago
> and they are reasonable for asking for it are they? their position is basically that they don't trust iterm2 to work properly, but only in regard to this specific setting. if you don't trust iterm2 to work, don't use it. if you do trust it to work, you should be able to trust that the ai feature that's off by default won't magically turn itself on.
- Suzuran 2y ago
  I don't think the issue is lack of trust in iTerm2, it's lack of trust in the corporations who operate the AI services and have very strong (profit) incentives to abuse and/or exploit all data they can collect by any means necessary. The technology isn't the problem; It's the meatbags weaponizing it in the name of a quick buck who are the problem. Before this recent flare-up in pro/anti-AI tribalism, I have not regularly been demanded to justify my distrust of a corporation. Suddenly I feel I am demanded to justify my lack of faith in corporations who happen to have some involvement in AI. I shouldn't have to say anything beyond simply gesticulating vaguely in the direction of end-stage capitalism; The problems should be readily apparent.
  - ThrowawayTestr 2y ago
    >it's lack of trust in the corporations who operate the AI services Then don't use the feature?
    - Suzuran 2y ago
      You missed my point, or I failed to adequately explain it; Please see my response to the comment above yours.
  - soraminazuki 2y ago
    No, people are saying, don't use the feature if you're not interested. It isn't hard. Don't input an API key. Don't do multiple clicks to show the "Codecierge" toolbox. Don't type in a question for the AI. In future versions, don't install the optional AI plugin. And crucially, don't act the way people did in this saga and be civil. Follow any of that, and you're fine. People aren't demanding you anything. You are.
    - Suzuran 2y ago
      You missed the point, or I failed to adequately explain it. I know full well (now, without the intentional disinformation that was being spread earlier) that the feature is entirely disabled without an API key present. I understand that, as things stand right now, the decision of whether or not to engage with OpenAI through iTerm2 is entirely mine. My point is that I believe the reason people are still repulsed by it to such a high degree is not because they all have some irrational deep-seated hatred of the AI technology, but that they are repulsed by the idea of even accidentally engaging with the OpenAI corporation (who just announced a partnership with News Corp of all things...); They are terrified of some situation in the future where someone comes along with code or packet traces and says "Hey, look at this, OpenAI has all your data anyway, and there's nothing you can do about it but seethe and cope; sucks to be you!"

by irskep 2y ago

rottencupcakes 2y ago

AI is acting as a catalyst here to get people into flame war mode. The issue here is the existence of a terminal feature that can send your commands to a 3rd party server. It could have no AI whatsoever; it is reasonable to not want this in an app that you might paste secret keys into. Do the people who don’t like this feature have the same standards for ever app they use? Probably not, they’re probably being a little hyperbolic, but it sounds like a reasonable request.

glhaynes 2y ago
The issue here is the existence of a terminal feature that can send your commands to a 3rd party server. With not many more characters than are needed for an API key, I could write a script in the very terminal provided by iTerm2 that sends all my commands to a 3rd party server!
AlexandrB 2y ago
> The issue here is the existence of a terminal feature that can send your commands to a 3rd party server. That's called SSH.

notatoad 2y ago

> and they are reasonable for asking for it are they? their position is basically that they don't trust iterm2 to work properly, but only in regard to this specific setting. if you don't trust iterm2 to work, don't use it. if you do trust it to work, you should be able to trust that the ai feature that's off by default won't magically turn itself on.

Suzuran 2y ago
I don't think the issue is lack of trust in iTerm2, it's lack of trust in the corporations who operate the AI services and have very strong (profit) incentives to abuse and/or exploit all data they can collect by any means necessary. The technology isn't the problem; It's the meatbags weaponizing it in the name of a quick buck who are the problem. Before this recent flare-up in pro/anti-AI tribalism, I have not regularly been demanded to justify my distrust of a corporation. Suddenly I feel I am demanded to justify my lack of faith in corporations who happen to have some involvement in AI. I shouldn't have to say anything beyond simply gesticulating vaguely in the direction of end-stage capitalism; The problems should be readily apparent.
- ThrowawayTestr 2y ago
  >it's lack of trust in the corporations who operate the AI services Then don't use the feature?
  - Suzuran 2y ago
    You missed my point, or I failed to adequately explain it; Please see my response to the comment above yours.
- soraminazuki 2y ago
  No, people are saying, don't use the feature if you're not interested. It isn't hard. Don't input an API key. Don't do multiple clicks to show the "Codecierge" toolbox. Don't type in a question for the AI. In future versions, don't install the optional AI plugin. And crucially, don't act the way people did in this saga and be civil. Follow any of that, and you're fine. People aren't demanding you anything. You are.
  - Suzuran 2y ago
    You missed the point, or I failed to adequately explain it. I know full well (now, without the intentional disinformation that was being spread earlier) that the feature is entirely disabled without an API key present. I understand that, as things stand right now, the decision of whether or not to engage with OpenAI through iTerm2 is entirely mine. My point is that I believe the reason people are still repulsed by it to such a high degree is not because they all have some irrational deep-seated hatred of the AI technology, but that they are repulsed by the idea of even accidentally engaging with the OpenAI corporation (who just announced a partnership with News Corp of all things...); They are terrified of some situation in the future where someone comes along with code or packet traces and says "Hey, look at this, OpenAI has all your data anyway, and there's nothing you can do about it but seethe and cope; sucks to be you!"