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And Bing lifts their results from Google (https://www.wired.com/2011/02/bing-copies-google/ https://www.wired.com/2011/02/bing-copies-google/) so in the end it

And Bing lifts their results from Google (https://www.wired.com/2011/02/bing-copies-google/ https://www.wired.com/2011/02/bing-copies-google/) so in the end it seems like the internet only has one search engine.

barbazoo 2y ago
There's also Kagi
bloblaw 2y ago
That article is from 2011. I can imagine that in 13 years this may no longer be true.
- pphysch 2y ago
  What would lead you to believe that in the last 13 years MS would make the titanic investment of reimplementing their (alleged) Google-based search backend? Given the trajectory of Bing this seems unlikely.
  - adamomada 2y ago
    For me it’s because DDG (aka Bing) results are vastly different than Google results. I use the !g and !s bangs often. I think you’re making a huge assumption that nothing would change in 13 years!
politelemon 2y ago
Makes me wonder, does this mean Bing is the Chromium or Firefox of search?
somenameforme 2y ago
Brave Search [1] is 100% independent. There's also Yandex [2] which also works excellently, but is biased towards more Russian language results. The image search is second to none though. [1] - https://search.brave.com/ https://search.brave.com/ [2] - https://yandex.com/ https://yandex.com/
- swiftcoder 2y ago
  Brave search is only very recently independent, and not, as far as I can tell, 100% of the way there. While they are building out their own index, they only recently stopped augmenting their own results with Bing, and are still augmenting them with Google.
  - pythux 2y ago
    That is not fully accurate. Brave Search is fully independent - the last dependency on Bing was dropped more than a year ago, but even at the time the dependency would not have prevented Brave Search from functioning during an event like yesterday’s Bing outage - it would have resulted in a drop of quality on a subset of complicated queries, though. The “augmentation with Google” that you mention is an optional feature that only works in Brave browser and doesn’t mean Brave Search is less independent than in other browsers (but it might mean that the quality is increased for some queries; or at least closer to Google results in these cases). I think when talking about independence it is important to make a distinction between “dependent” which means “cannot work at all if the provider goes down” (e.g. yesterday’s outage) and “dependent” meaning that the service would continue to operate but with some amount of degradation of service. It’s a spectrum. Yesterday we saw that some services could not operate at all when Bing was down. Disclaimer: I work at Brave.

barbazoo 2y ago

There's also Kagi

bloblaw 2y ago

That article is from 2011. I can imagine that in 13 years this may no longer be true.

pphysch 2y ago
What would lead you to believe that in the last 13 years MS would make the titanic investment of reimplementing their (alleged) Google-based search backend? Given the trajectory of Bing this seems unlikely.
- adamomada 2y ago
  For me it’s because DDG (aka Bing) results are vastly different than Google results. I use the !g and !s bangs often. I think you’re making a huge assumption that nothing would change in 13 years!

politelemon 2y ago

Makes me wonder, does this mean Bing is the Chromium or Firefox of search?

somenameforme 2y ago

Brave Search [1] is 100% independent. There's also Yandex [2] which also works excellently, but is biased towards more Russian language results. The image search is second to none though. [1] - https://search.brave.com/ https://search.brave.com/ [2] - https://yandex.com/ https://yandex.com/

swiftcoder 2y ago
Brave search is only very recently independent, and not, as far as I can tell, 100% of the way there. While they are building out their own index, they only recently stopped augmenting their own results with Bing, and are still augmenting them with Google.
- pythux 2y ago
  That is not fully accurate. Brave Search is fully independent - the last dependency on Bing was dropped more than a year ago, but even at the time the dependency would not have prevented Brave Search from functioning during an event like yesterday’s Bing outage - it would have resulted in a drop of quality on a subset of complicated queries, though. The “augmentation with Google” that you mention is an optional feature that only works in Brave browser and doesn’t mean Brave Search is less independent than in other browsers (but it might mean that the quality is increased for some queries; or at least closer to Google results in these cases). I think when talking about independence it is important to make a distinction between “dependent” which means “cannot work at all if the provider goes down” (e.g. yesterday’s outage) and “dependent” meaning that the service would continue to operate but with some amount of degradation of service. It’s a spectrum. Yesterday we saw that some services could not operate at all when Bing was down. Disclaimer: I work at Brave.